(06-23-2025, 10:38 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Holy geez...I guess Holiday's value is still sky high for those who do this for a living. Not only did BOS not have to pay to get off of him, they got a nice young player and some draft capital!

(06-23-2025, 10:55 PM)cow Wrote: Not sure I'd say that is sky high.  Portland's been trying to move him for a while now. Still think they could have done better.  Dame and Simons both got traded for Jrue is pretty funny though.

(06-23-2025, 10:58 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I mean, they got a guy I'm sure many (not me, mind you, but Mavsfan2021, at least) think is BETTER than Holiday now (definitely a more lethal scorer), got off of his contract (Simons is cheaper this season and expiring) AND netted a couple of 2nds for their trouble??? 

That's way better than I expected them to do. What more did you want???

(06-23-2025, 11:00 PM)cow Wrote: I think Boston did well even if I think Simons is empty calories, but would you say Luka's value was at an all time low because of the return we got or would you put that at the feet of our GM?

(06-23-2025, 11:10 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I think the circumstances affected the Luka deal as much as or even more than Harrison's negotiating skills. 

I think he rightly believed the news getting out would've resulted in premature pandemonium, and would've led to Dumont realizing that the safest course available to him was to stop the trade, due to public outcry and Duffy raising hell. Since Harrison wanted A) wanted Luka gone and B) wanted Anthony Davis in exchange, I think he took a little less (thought not as much less as we might've initially felt, if Shams was right last week about Davis' value on the open market right now) just to get the thing done. 

It MIGHT mean he's a terrible negotiator, and there's other things to point to that could support that claim, but I also think it's too early to assume all the "good stuff" was Lindsey and all the "bad stuff" was Harison.

In other words, apples and oranges with this Holiday deal. But yeah, I think Cronin is delusional, and that's not even from an angle of what the deal was, it's more about WHY THE HELL DOES PORTLAND EVEN WANT JRUE HOLIDAY?! Are he and Jerami Grant supposed to get them into the playoffs?? In the West?????

(06-23-2025, 11:18 PM)cow Wrote: I don't think it's up for debate the Nico is a terrible negotiator.  He'll be responsible for one of, if not the worst trade, in league history.  The fact that he still has a job make me worry for the future of the franchise.  Bad deals happen all the time.  We've been on the beneficiary end of them.  I still don't think that's a great way to judge someone's value.  I know I would have asked for a lot more if I was on the phone with Boston, but seeing as how I don't think we are a contender, a position of greed is easier to operate from which makes Portland's decision in the trade all the stranger.  Maybe they can flip Jrue again and pickup assets.  *shrug*

(06-23-2025, 11:21 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I'm just saying, for PORTLAND, Holiday represented something along the lines of "if we get that guy, we can make the playoffs, which we CAN'T do with Simons." I think the deal reflects that, and I find it surprising, and that's coming from someone who was defending Holiday on this forum 24 hours ago. I didn't think Bos would have to pay to get off of the deal, but I didn't think they'd get an intriguing young talent AND picks. 

If you did (and thought they'd do better even, apparently), kudos!

(06-24-2025, 06:45 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: Gambo the Suns guy say he has heard that 1-2 teams have interest in Beal.  He is a mouthpiece from the Suns, but who knows.  A team having interest is not really the biggest thing.  It is Beal agreeing to be traded and what type of junk you get back for him.  Are you really going to get a productive piece for Beal?  I read people speculating that it could potentially be the Clippers or the Bucks.  Clippers could get Beal and tie his contract to Harden and Leonard.  Not sure what they could give up though.    I could see desperate Milwaukee sniffing around.  Wasn't there a rumor they had some interest last year?  Also not sure what they could give up.

(06-24-2025, 07:36 AM)FireNicoHarrison Wrote: Resign PJ&Gaff is a must, proven winners 25yo are hard to find.

Flip street clothes for another couple of guys like them (PG&SG) and we have a team.

(06-24-2025, 08:27 AM)From Dirk to SCREW YOU Nico Wrote: Gafford has been extended....3yrs for 54-60 million (reports differ).

No backing for this comment, but it certainly feels like PJ is viewed as expendable, by management, due to Flagg.   It would not shock me to see PJ traded for a facilitating guard soon.

(06-24-2025, 08:47 AM)Winter Wrote: It makes far more sense to unload some back-of-the-bench players for the wide variety of middle-of-the-road PG's that have been listed here from time to time.

(06-24-2025, 08:47 AM)Winter Wrote: I don't think there's any good reason to trade PJ for facilitating guard who is likely going to move to the bench in January. I would be suprised if that happened now.

It makes far more sense to unload some back-of-the-bench players for the wide variety of middle-of-the-road PG's that have been listed here from time to time.

(06-24-2025, 08:58 AM)RoyTarpleysGhost Wrote: Hard hard hard disagree

They might as well rebuild around Flagg if the plan is to go into the season with 6-7 very good front court players and 0 good guards.  (I see Klay as more of a 3)  Gonna be fighting for the play in with a team in the tax.

(06-24-2025, 09:06 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: It is real interesting.  Mavs have good players, just weird fitting parts.   For instance, I really like Christie as a bench guard.  I think there is a chance he continues to get better.   So, I am not crazy about trading for someone who may take his minutes.   I don't think the Mavs have any interest in moving Klay.   His skill set is important for this team.  Although, looking forward he seems like an area to upgrade.  Maybe in a year or so.   A 6'5-6'6 shooting guard who can create would really help this roster.   Especially if he can play some point for stretches or play with a few guys who can all fill in as ball handlers.   

So if you could find this player and add him to Kyrie and Christie off the bench.   Then you have Marshall and if you had a 4th guard who can fill in as neccesary that is a good bench.   I am not sure who that SG is.   I heard Trey Murphy but he is not really a creator and is going to be extemely expensive.  That type of player would be real interesting.