(06-23-2025, 01:54 PM)Nowitzki Way Wrote: Like many others, i feel like Jrue Holiday will be the move. And i have a bad feeling we wont like the outgoing pieces.

If we're able to get a 1st round pick or more out of this i'd be shocked. We absolutely should hold Boston over the coals and demand draft capital.

But, if the main outgoing is some combination of Gafford, Martin, Hardy, O-Max. Then i can get on board with it.  But any talks of P.J. kills the deal for me.

(06-23-2025, 01:54 PM)Nowitzki Way Wrote: Like many others, i feel like Jrue Holiday will be the move. And i have a bad feeling we wont like the outgoing pieces.

If we're able to get a 1st round pick or more out of this i'd be shocked. We absolutely should hold Boston over the coals and demand draft capital.

But, if the main outgoing is some combination of Gafford, Martin, Hardy, O-Max. Then i can get on board with it.  But any talks of P.J. kills the deal for me.

(06-23-2025, 01:54 PM)Nowitzki Way Wrote: Like many others, i feel like Jrue Holiday will be the move. And i have a bad feeling we wont like the outgoing pieces.

If we're able to get a 1st round pick or more out of this i'd be shocked. We absolutely should hold Boston over the coals and demand draft capital.

But, if the main outgoing is some combination of Gafford, Martin, Hardy, O-Max. Then i can get on board with it.  But any talks of P.J. kills the deal for me.

(06-23-2025, 02:41 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: I don't include Gaff in the trade unless we're unloading dead roster spots for a $ equivalent.  I see Jrue as a $15m/year player at this point.  So of his $104.4m in the next 3 years is worth only ~$45m.  That's an over $60m overpay.  We don't have that much in dead contracts.

Klay - $34m/2ys
Martin - $28.8m/3rs
Hardy - $12m.2yrs
Total - $74.8/3yrs, +$29.6m

So you'd be spending approximately $10m/yr premium for Jrue.  The Celtics can't expect anything better than saving $10m/yr.  There's no reason to include valuable assets like Gaff.

(06-22-2025, 02:46 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I would do that deal without a moment's hesitation. The positives are obvious. There are two negatives, one small, one significant:

Small negative: you're giving up BOTH of your backup 3's. I know Thompson and Flagg are going to play a lot there, but I'd prefer a way to keep either Marshall or Martin, if I'm being honest. In the grand scheme of things, I think this is pretty nitpickish, however. 

The big negative is committing to Holiday's salary for the next three years and the possible negative implications of that next year and beyond. For this season, I think that deal makes the team much, much better.

(06-22-2025, 03:03 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I would do it also.  I actually don't mind having Jrue, AD and Kyrie all expiring at the same time in three years.

(06-22-2025, 03:08 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: If you somehow get PJW on an extension that ends at that same time, you could end up with Flagg and Lively as your only high paid guys, and unless my math is terrible (which it is), that could be the summer BEFORE Flagg's rookie-max extension kicks in, no? 

Holy cap space!

(06-23-2025, 02:41 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: I don't include Gaff in the trade unless we're unloading dead roster spots for a $ equivalent.  I see Jrue as a $15m/year player at this point.  So of his $104.4m in the next 3 years is worth only ~$45m.  That's an over $60m overpay.  We don't have that much in dead contracts.

Klay - $34m/2ys
Martin - $28.8m/3rs
Hardy - $12m.2yrs
Total - $74.8/3yrs, +$29.6m

So you'd be spending approximately $10m/yr premium for Jrue.  The Celtics can't expect anything better than saving $10m/yr.  There's no reason to include valuable assets like Gaff.

(06-23-2025, 01:54 PM)Nowitzki Way Wrote: But, if the main outgoing is some combination of Gafford, Martin, Hardy, O-Max. Then i can get on board with it.  But any talks of P.J. kills the deal for me.

(06-23-2025, 02:35 PM)cow Wrote: I'd want a first for Gafford and another for taking on Jrue's contract.  It would also be nice to close the circle and send DP back where it all began.

(06-23-2025, 04:26 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Fortunately, the Celtics might be the only team in the NBA who'd have zero interest in PJ Washington. They have that type of player covered. With Horford turning 92 this year and Porzingis having more Porzingis-like issues, I CAN see them having some interest in Gafford, potentially, though he's a different type of center for them.

I don't think that makes PJ safe, necessarily, as this might be a 3-4 team deal if/when it happens, but I doubt PJW will end up in Boston, which means to me that the the draft capital that switches hands is the most predictable way it could go right or wrong for our Mavs.

(06-23-2025, 04:37 PM)Winter Wrote: One of things that's starting to make think there's something between the Mavs and Celtics is how utterly quiet both teams have been. Not really a peep (or a tweet) anywhere.

(06-23-2025, 05:06 PM)omahen Wrote: I am sort of surprised how quiet everything has been in general since this was supposed to be an offseason with a record number of trades. Really not that much rumors around. Barely anything on guys like Kuminga, for example.

(06-23-2025, 03:11 PM)F Gump Wrote: Add something else, perhaps DP, and then add another team to absorb some of the salary from DAL, because that deal's not CBA legal.

Off-loading some DAL salary to team 3 is part of what BOS will want out of the deal (not just swapping equal salary for salary). DAL should get a pick or 2 too, sending talent to one team AND providing cap help to another, maybe 1 FRP from each team (and 2025 picks don't work because DAL will be really tight against A2 after a 4-for-1).

(06-23-2025, 10:37 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: There goes Holiday.  Will need to think this one thru

BREAKING: The Boston Celtics have traded Jrue Holiday to the Portland Trail Blazers for Anfernee Simons and two second-round picks, sources tell ESPN.

(06-23-2025, 10:39 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: My initial thought is to trust Brad.