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RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - Smitty - 06-22-2025
(06-22-2025, 02:52 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Ah, well there you go. I do, that's the difference.
I think literally any player on the list I made above (except for possibly Lonzo Ball, who I have very little interest in) will be worth more to the potential success of this team than Daniel Gafford. I suspect that's the disconnect with a lot of people.
My opinion of Holiday has nothing to do with Gafford. I’ve been one of the loudest voices on the Mavs needing to move Gafford for a guard. Holiday is at the bottom of my list, very bottom.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - KillerLeft - 06-22-2025
(06-22-2025, 02:55 PM)Smitty Wrote: My opinion of Holiday has nothing to do with Gafford. I’ve been one of the loudest voices on the Mavs needing to move Gafford for a guard. Holiday is at the bottom of my list, very bottom.
I get it, I just don't agree. I think he's awesome. He's one of the reasons BOS spanked Dallas in the finals last season. He had a worse year this season, sure, and I don't love the extension, but imho, people are way too fast to proclaim things like "fell off a cliff," "cooked," "done," etc.
I have more confidence that Holiday has juice left to squeeze than I do about Kyrie Irving coming off of that injury, honestly.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - DanSchwartzgan - 06-22-2025
(06-22-2025, 02:46 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I would do that deal without a moment's hesitation.
I would do it also. I actually don't mind having Jrue, AD and Kyrie all expiring at the same time in three years.
One nitpick, Klay is miscast as a two. At some point he's the backup three and Christie moves to backup two.
As to who to pick at 22, watch out for the French Connection. Traore and Ajinca played together on Saint-Quentin in 23-24. We certainly have a feel for Traore from whatever scouting we did to decide on trading for Ajinca.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - KillerLeft - 06-22-2025
(06-22-2025, 03:03 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I would do it also. I actually don't mind having Jrue, AD and Kyrie all expiring at the same time in three years.
One nitpick, Klay is miscast as a two. At some point he's the backup three and Christie moves to backup two.
As to who to pick at 22, watch out for the French Connection. Traore and Ajinca played together on Saint-Quentin in 23-24. We certainly have a feel for Traore from whatever scouting we did to decide on trading for Ajinca.
Agreed on everything, though I don't know the French kid (Traore?) you're referencing.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - KillerLeft - 06-22-2025
(06-22-2025, 03:03 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I actually don't mind having Jrue, AD and Kyrie all expiring at the same time in three years.
If you somehow get PJW on an extension that ends at that same time, you could end up with Flagg and Lively as your only high paid guys, and unless my math is terrible (which it is), that could be the summer BEFORE Flagg's rookie-max extension kicks in, no?
Holy cap space!
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - DanSchwartzgan - 06-22-2025
(06-22-2025, 03:05 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Agreed on everything, though I don't know the French kid (Traore?) you're referencing.
He gives you bad three point shooting on high volume and bad defense. But, he can get downhill and is a premium passer. Projected to go in the area of 20-25.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - Winter - 06-22-2025
(06-22-2025, 03:14 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: He gives you bad three point shooting on high volume and bad defense. But, he can get downhill and is a premium passer. Projected to go in the area of 20-25.
The trade smitty posted is probably realistic. But Nico better weasel the #21 Atlanta pick or something equivalent. It's the only thing that makes it warm and fuzzy. I'd probably rather see Clayton than Traore, but there are probably a few options I haven't thought of.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - Kidnova - 06-22-2025
(06-22-2025, 02:57 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I get it, I just don't agree. I think he's awesome. He's one of the reasons BOS spanked Dallas in the finals last season. He had a worse year this season, sure, and I don't love the extension, but imho, people are way too fast to proclaim things like "fell off a cliff," "cooked," "done," etc.
I have more confidence that Holiday has juice left to squeeze than I do about Kyrie Irving coming off of that injury, honestly.
I've been a big fan of Jrue's game, but I'd be hesitant at this point. He took a step back last season, pretty much across the board. Admittedly I didn't watch enough Celtics' games to know if that a scheme issue or his personal performance. Either way, you're committing $35 million a year on the hopes that it was just an aberration and he's going to come back strong at age 35. If you're wrong, and he's really on his way to being a less effective player, then you've put yourself in a really bad position.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - cow - 06-22-2025
(06-22-2025, 02:41 PM)Smitty Wrote: I don’t think there’s any way the C’s are sending picks to the Mavs in any Jrue trade.
Boston can pound sand then. If they want off his contract, I wouldn't do it without them including a future FRP.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - Mavs2021 - 06-22-2025
(06-22-2025, 03:55 PM)Winter Wrote: The trade smitty posted is probably realistic. But Nico better weasel the #21 Atlanta pick or something equivalent. It's the only thing that makes it warm and fuzzy. I'd probably rather see Clayton than Traore, but there are probably a few options I haven't thought of.
He´s the biggest upside PG in this draft. No way you pass up on Traore, if he is there, wherever that is. Perfect understudy for Kyrie, too. I don´t think his shot looks broken and everything else is there. They teach him how to shoot, he has a ridiculously high ceiling.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - FireNicoHarrison - 06-22-2025
(06-22-2025, 04:27 PM)cow Wrote: Boston can pound sand then. If they want off his contract, I wouldn't do it without them including a future FRP.
This.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - Ghost of Podkolzin - 06-22-2025
(06-22-2025, 04:40 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: He´s the biggest upside PG in this draft. No way you pass up on Traore, if he is there, wherever that is. Perfect understudy for Kyrie, too. I don´t think his shot looks broken and everything else is there. They teach him how to shoot, he has a ridiculously high ceiling.
4 colleges in 4 years. That and low low production in college...
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - OBX Maverick - 06-22-2025
(06-22-2025, 01:52 PM)cow Wrote: KD was probably in consideration with our pick until we won the lottery.
Yep, that’s probably the case, but somehow I still didn’t feel safe until today.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - Chicagojk - 06-22-2025
Sort of telling looking at teams who appear to have bright futures and seeing their size. OKC, SA and Houston. We have not seen SA be good on the court yet. OKC is big. Tough to be on the court as a 6 foot guard (TJ McConnel being the exception). SA has 6'3 Fox but he plays bigger. Outside of him they are 6'5 plus. Houston has FVV (and eventually Reed Sheppard). FVV is smaller in a size but built like a house. All three teams can go really big but also go small (while being pretty big/long). Just something to observe as we look to build the team moving forward.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - Chicagojk - 06-22-2025
(06-22-2025, 06:55 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: 4 colleges in 4 years. That and low low production in college...
Colleges? Traore is 19 years old french kid. Never played college. Are you talking about someone else?
I have no idea what to think of him either. Really tough to know what you are watching in his highlights.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - Smitty - 06-22-2025
(06-22-2025, 04:27 PM)cow Wrote: Boston can pound sand then. If they want off his contract, I wouldn't do it without them including a future FRP.
Prepare yourself now. I think it’s way more likely the Mavs are the ones sending a pick. Nico doesn’t view Jrue as a negative asset, like most of us fans do.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - ThisIStheYear - 06-22-2025
That might be a year for Hali with what looks like a predictable injury. Carlisle may go from GOAT to goat. This is why Luka sat out so long with his calf injury this year.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - Ghost of Podkolzin - 06-22-2025
(06-22-2025, 07:10 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: Colleges? Traore is 19 years old french kid. Never played college. Are you talking about someone else?
I have no idea what to think of him either. Really tough to know what you are watching in his highlights.
Must be. My bad.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - Chicagojk - 06-23-2025
Ringer had Jrue at #69 for their top 100. Here was the writeup.
Bulwark defender and across-the-board contributor whose offense now comes on an as-needed basis.
Feel for the Game
On-Ball Defense
Positional Versatility
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Analysis
For all the good Holiday did in Milwaukee, including pushing the Bucks over the top to win their first title in 50 years, the top-heavy roster would sometimes spotlight his game’s blemishes—namely, his unwillingness to impose his will on offense. In Boston, surrounded by a deep reserve of two-way players, Holiday has blended into the crowd, which allows his best attributes—hounding on-ball defense, the strength to stand up against virtually any opponent, playmaking or scoring within the flow of the offense—to pop. Holiday has lived several lives in the NBA: precocious ball handler, pick-and-roll partner to one of the game’s best unicorns, underrated defensive soul taker, properly rated defensive master. Boston Jrue is the ultimate luxury, someone who can turn up the levels on any of those identities as needed.
As a result of the role switch, the raw production has diminished: Holiday is averaging single-digit shot attempts for the first time since his rookie season, and while the extra discretion led to career-high efficiency last season, he’s struggled to hit from the perimeter in his encore with the Celtics. It’s a mild concern for a player who recently banked $135 million through his age-37 season, but Holiday has shown the ability to flip the on switch when necessary—including logging games of 28 and 26 points last postseason when the mismatches worked in his favor, all while running the gamut on defensive assignments.
Holiday has long been one of the game’s most versatile players, but Boston’s depth of talent has been his genius grant, affording him the space to focus on the craftwork that makes him great. It remains to be seen how long the historically expensive Celtics can afford such a luxury, especially as Holiday ages deeper into his 30s, but as it stands, he represents everything that makes the team great. —Justin Verrier
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - Nowitzki Way - 06-23-2025
Like many others, i feel like Jrue Holiday will be the move. And i have a bad feeling we wont like the outgoing pieces.
If we're able to get a 1st round pick or more out of this i'd be shocked. We absolutely should hold Boston over the coals and demand draft capital.
But, if the main outgoing is some combination of Gafford, Martin, Hardy, O-Max. Then i can get on board with it. But any talks of P.J. kills the deal for me.