(05-17-2025, 07:23 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: It's only "shortsighted" if that PG is OLD. Or, if that OLD PG costs YOUNG assets. 

There's definitely a limit to what I'd be willing to give up PJW FOR, but that doesn't change the fact that his role here WILL be smaller over the next 2-3 seasons. Are we sure he'll even WANT to stay? I'd not be shocked if he's not looking around for more playing time as we type. 

If you could somehow package 26 year old PJW for a 25 year old guy who FITS better? I think it would be shortsighted NOT to jump on that, particularly if it helped clear a way forward in terms of salary structure. 

I'll be pretty surprised if they can somehow convince PJW to come off the bench on a contract year and have his head right with it. 

Now, tell me you were a fly on the wall and you think they were about to try to convince AD he's a 5 (which he is), then a totally different conversation can start up.

(05-17-2025, 07:43 PM)Smitty Wrote: AD is a 5. I’d rather trade him for a PG than PJW. Give me PJW at 22M at PF over AD at 60M, when he could bring back a real game changer at PG. OR just make his a$$ play 5 where he belongs.

(05-17-2025, 05:44 PM)Smitty Wrote: This is what amazes me about Mavs fans. PJ Washington and Aaron Gordon are essentially the same player.

Player A: 6’8” 235 lbs. 14.7 pts | 4.8 rbs | 3.2 ast 

Player B: 6’7” 230 lbs. 14.7 pts | 7.8 rbs | 2.3 ast

Player A: $34.5M
Player B: $14.1M

Both elite defenders. 


PJ’s max extension is ~4/90M ($22M AAV) and we’re trying to trade him because “fit”. Would you trade 29 year old Aaron Gordon for a JAG because of fit? Why are we entertaining the idea of doing so for 26 year old PJ?

(05-17-2025, 07:52 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: That's a tough one, because I kind of agree. 

For sure agree that he's a 5 (though I've come around a bit on playing him at the 4 a little - intrigued by the fit with Lively in certain matchups). 

I think you can make an argument that moving him makes a lot of sense, sure, only I doubt Harrison will consider that. And, if I'm being totally honest, I think there's a world in which doing that would be the wrong move. I mean, Flagg/AD is an UNREAL duo, and since there flatly isn't a path to the traditional type of rebuild, even with Flagg gifted as a fire-starter, my strong inclination is to go for the best version of the team that can be had during his rookie contract. Imagine how much more quickly Flagg can learn everything with AD as a model and partner! I think it can be done that way, and possibly done BETTER that way. 

If your overall point is that they'd very quickly want a player similar to PJW to put in the mix with Flagg/AD/Lively, I 100% agree. I'm definitely open to keeping him, should things work out that way. You have to have a lead guard in the NBA, though. You just gotta.

(05-17-2025, 07:59 PM)Smitty Wrote: My initial point is that PJW is Aaron Gordon. Maybe better. Just my opinion. Getting a player of PJ’s caliber at $22M AAV through age 30 might be one of the best contracts in the NBA. I’m just not trading that for a stop gap PG.

(05-17-2025, 07:59 PM)Smitty Wrote: My initial point is that PJW is Aaron Gordon. Maybe better. Just my opinion. Getting a player of PJ’s caliber at $22M AAV through age 30 might be one of the best contracts in the NBA. I’m just not trading that for a stop gap PG.

(05-17-2025, 08:24 PM)F Gump Wrote: You argue for keeping PJW, based on your assumption PJW is willing to sign a max 4/90 extension. But what if he'd rather wait a year to sign anything, when his 4-year max will be around 220?

Or what if he has no interest in extending here, with minutes drying up by the additions of both AD and CF??

Some of us (maybe most) who would trade him are assuming he may stop being financially advantageous -- and that if things are headed in that direction, Mavs need to be proactive and get value (in particular, a good value offense creator).. And the crossroads is this summer.

(05-17-2025, 08:31 PM)Smitty Wrote: All we have are assumptions. IF you can lock up PJ, you do it. Fit be damned. That’s all I’m saying. Of course, if I’m PJ I don’t sign the 4/$90 extension. But if the Mavs never offer it and elect to trade him, it’s the same Brunson B.S!

(05-17-2025, 07:59 PM)Smitty Wrote: My initial point is that PJW is Aaron Gordon. Maybe better. Just my opinion. Getting a player of PJ’s caliber at $22M AAV through age 30 might be one of the best contracts in the NBA. I’m just not trading that for a stop gap PG.

(05-17-2025, 08:51 PM)loki Wrote: One point I would make in favor of keeping PJ is that even if you trade him you probably aren't getting a lead guard back. Most of the proposals I've seen are for scorers like Coby White, Simons, Sexton. These guys don't play defense, can't run an offense, and don't fit in the starting lineup when Kyrie comes back. Not to mention they'll probably require a future pick to be added.

(05-17-2025, 05:44 PM)Smitty Wrote: This is what amazes me about Mavs fans. PJ Washington and Aaron Gordon are essentially the same player.

Player A: 6’8” 235 lbs. 14.7 pts | 4.8 rbs | 3.2 ast 

Player B: 6’7” 230 lbs. 14.7 pts | 7.8 rbs | 2.3 ast

Player A: $34.5M
Player B: $14.1M

Both elite defenders. 


PJ’s max extension is ~4/90M ($22M AAV) and we’re trying to trade him because “fit”. Would you trade 29 year old Aaron Gordon for a JAG because of fit? Why are we entertaining the idea of doing so for 26 year old PJ?

(05-18-2025, 07:06 AM)HoosierDaddyKid Wrote: Stats may be similar besides salary, but no way PJW is a better player. Gordon is a better defender, 3pt shooting is a wash (although I think AG is a smidge better) Gordon has also been dynamite in these playoffs, PJW will shrink in the moment sometimes. I expect to get flamed, so bring it. It's my opinion.

(05-18-2025, 07:06 AM)HoosierDaddyKid Wrote: Stats may be similar besides salary, but no way PJW is a better player. Gordon is a better defender, 3pt shooting is a wash (although I think AG is a smidge better) Gordon has also been dynamite in these playoffs, PJW will shrink in the moment sometimes. I expect to get flamed, so bring it. It's my opinion.

(05-18-2025, 08:55 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: Not Great

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1924099706130514392

(05-18-2025, 10:56 AM)Knutsen Wrote: Oh no, that sucks… Similar to the AD injury I guess. Didn’t look too bad when it happened in his first game for us, he was saying after the game it‘s nothing and more like a cramp - and boom he‘s out for a lot of weeks. 

I had the Nuggets at 50-50 today because of their championship and big game experience, now it‘s more like 25-75 for me.