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RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - KillerLeft - 05-15-2025
(05-15-2025, 03:21 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: It´s not even that difficult.
Simons to Dallas
Gafford + Martin + Powell to Lakers
Reaves + Vanderbilt to Blazers
Sign Ben Simmons on minimum.
They get my boy Anfernee, I might have to do a 180. They get Toumani Camara too, I might have to a 540.
I think Simons is a fairly appropriate target, finally. You might get your wish!
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - SleepingHero - 05-15-2025
(05-15-2025, 03:16 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: I know you were just using it as an example but didn't think of Jrue to the Lakers. Aren't they pretty tied to Reaves or has that changed some? Reaves better suits the Luka timeline, but he is in line for a big pay raise after next season.
Jrue would probably help more now, I think. Although he is sort of on the Lebron timeline. If Jrue is healthy and they find a capable starter that should be a real good team. I am just not sure it is a contender and it opens up many more questions down the road imo.
Latest word out of La La Land regarding Reaves:
https://www.latimes.com/sports/newsletter/2025-05-15/will-the-lakers-trade-austin-reaves-not-so-fast
Quote:Are the Lakers going to trade Austin Reaves?
My friend and colleague Bill Plaschke argued in those hallowed Times’ pages that the Lakers must trade Austin Reaves to fulfill their needs for a big man no matter how painful the decision would be. Bill Simmons predicted on his podcast that Reaves “will get traded” this summer.
So what was the buzz at the combine about all this?
Everyone is aware of the noise from the media and on the message boards (shoutout Lakers reddit), no one is acting like a trade is going to happen this summer for a couple of reasons.
One, the Lakers and the most important people in the organization all love Reaves and his journey from undrafted free agent to a talent that people think is All-Star caliber. And, at just $14 million next season, he’ll be one of the most productive players in the league per dollar minus some superstars on the very early stages of their rookie deals....
Two, he’s not viewed as “untradeable” because almost no one in the NBA is untradeable. But if the Lakers are going to trade him for a center, they’re going to want one that is foundationally important — a build-around type and not a fill-in toward the obvious need they have at center (and will need to address in other ways).
If one of the best centers in the NBA were available, the conversations might be different, but at least now, during the first part of the offseason, that just isn’t the case.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - Chicagojk - 05-15-2025
Simons has had some real good games with us. I am not sure that three team trade would work for the Lakers though.
Portland fans seem ready to move on from Simons. No idea what his asking price would be. It would be important to know if he was ok coming off the bench. I think that may be an issue longterm.
BTW, what about Clarkson. Not a point guard but Mavs have had interest in the past. I wonder if he could be a lesser cost option. Not sure where or how he would fit though. A bench scoring JET role is something I could envision.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - KillerLeft - 05-15-2025
(05-15-2025, 03:29 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: BTW, what about Clarkson. Not a point guard but Mavs have had interest in the past. I wonder if he could be a lesser cost option. Not sure where or how he would fit though. A bench scoring JET role is something I could envision.
I'm game, tbh. I think he actually DOES fulfill the specific parts of "PG" that are missing here. He works pick and roll well, specifically because of his arsenal of scoring counters. He'd basically be the player they've been trying to make Hardy into. You mentioned JET, and I get why people don't call him a PG, but in reality, that's the exact role he played here. Once the ball got brought up, Kidd was the off-guard, Terry was on ball. High pick and roll with JET/Dirk was this team's staple for like a decade.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - Chicagojk - 05-15-2025
(05-15-2025, 03:34 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I'm game, tbh. I think he actually DOES fulfill the specific parts of "PG" that are missing here. He works pick and roll well, specifically because of his arsenal of scoring counters. He'd basically be the player they've been trying to make Hardy into. You mentioned JET, and I get why people don't call him a PG, but in reality, that's the exact role he played here. Once the ball got brought up, Kidd was the off-guard, Terry was on ball. High pick and roll with JET/Dirk was this team's staple for like a decade.
I love the role Carlisle put JET in. Just perfect. He wasn't the perfect player but they found the right role for him. He was a winning player. Just like Daryl Morey is always looking for the perfect player. Sometimes you need to accept someone is not perfect but get him in the right role and he can out produce more talented players.
BTW, looking back to that 2011 era. The Mavs really didn't have many guys who excelled on creating off the dribble. They were so good though getting their players to their right spot and always got good shots on their possessions.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - cow - 05-15-2025
Clarkson regressed after Snyder's departure, but I'd still think he'd cost more than I'd be willing to give up.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - KillerLeft - 05-15-2025
(05-15-2025, 03:38 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: BTW, looking back to that 2011 era. The Mavs really didn't have many guys who excelled on creating off the dribble. They were so good though getting their players to their right spot and always got good shots on their possessions.
Right, but to the point of the conversation we're having, they DID have a player who excelled at creating coming off of screens - JET! He was one of the better pick and roll guards in the league at that time, and that style of play was much less prevalent then than it is now.
I hate to beat people over the head with this, but I really think to understand what they're thinking, we need to understand how they want to play offense.
For example, we here are probably more qualified to predict what the Lakers will try to do this summer than Lakers fans, because WE know how LUKA is telling them he wants to play, moving forward.
Kyrie is not a pick and roll player. FAR from it. If the plan is to play him at PG when healthy, something he has done almost none of since coming here, btw, then they aren't going to be a pick and roll team anymore. Period. AD isn't really a screen setting style of player, either, so maybe the plan is to move away from that style. But, and people keep blowing this off, but I promise there's something to this, that leaves the fit of Lively and ESPECIALLY Daniel Gafford feeling EXTREMELY awkward here.
Personally, I feel like I need to see the first domino fall before I have my head wrapped around all of this.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - SleepingHero - 05-15-2025
(05-15-2025, 03:21 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: It´s not even that difficult.
Simons to Dallas
Gafford + Martin + Powell to Lakers
Reaves + Vanderbilt to Blazers
Sign Ben Simmons on minimum.
They get my boy Anfernee, I might have to do a 180. They get Toumani Camara too, I might have to a 540.
It's actually quite difficult. In this 3 for 1 deal, the Mavs save 300k, but now need to sign 3 more dudes to minimum deals. After this deal and the draft, the Mavs will be roughly 400k away from the 2nd apron. They'd need Kyrie to opt out and take 9 mil less currently, which would start him on a 3 year deal worth around 108mil.
That would allow the Mavs to sign 3 vet min guys.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - Chicagojk - 05-15-2025
(05-15-2025, 03:41 PM)cow Wrote: Clarkson regressed after Snyder's departure, but I'd still think he'd cost more than I'd be willing to give up.
I really haven't paid attention. Plus Ainge is pretty vengeful. Probably holds a grudge with us getting the first pick and being a spare part in the Luka trade. Probably not too happy with the Mavs lately. He has been waiting for a star for 3 years. Only to see one gifted to the Lakers (with him taking a small piece) and the Mavs lucking out with the first pick.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - KillerLeft - 05-15-2025
I mean...maybe the plan IS to lean into that modern 5-out spacing, not with Lively standing in the corner, but at the top in the DHO game. That's something we've seen them implement more and more, but there's no world in which Gafford flourishes in that system, I don't believe.
If that's the case, it would be interesting, because essentially it would be LAL and DAL trading SYSTEMS, not just PLAYERS.
If that's the world we're about to live in, the PG target skills we need to focus on are probably just defense and catch-and-shoot.
I just don't feel like we (or I, at least) have enough info to go on yet.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - cow - 05-15-2025
We need shot creation. We are in worse shape than what GSW rolled out with an injured Steph and hobbled Butler. We'll just end up with the least worst option that doesn't cost us draft assets.
edit: Re: Clarkson, he'll be 33 in a month. Time flies.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - KillerLeft - 05-15-2025
(05-15-2025, 03:54 PM)cow Wrote: edit: Re: Clarkson, he'll be 33 in a month. Time flies.
So, not a good target using the younger assets we've been discussing.
But then again, maybe also not as costly to snag as one might assume at first.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - cow - 05-15-2025
(05-15-2025, 04:00 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: So, not a good target using the younger assets we've been discussing.
But then again, maybe also not as costly to snag as one might assume at first.
Let's put on our Ainge hat. That's probably not someone you'll invest in again, but know he could be useful to a team looking for bench scoring. I'd be looking for a 2nd round pick unless the salary coming back is for a player with more years and then I'd starting asking for a 1st .
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - Jmaciscool - 05-15-2025
(05-15-2025, 03:46 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: I really haven't paid attention. Plus Ainge is pretty vengeful. Probably holds a grudge with us getting the first pick and being a spare part in the Luka trade. Probably not too happy with the Mavs lately. He has been waiting for a star for 3 years. Only to see one gifted to the Lakers (with him taking a small piece) and the Mavs lucking out with the first pick.
I've been thinking this too - imagine stockpiling your assets to eventually trade for a player like Luka (or actually Luka) only to unknowingly help facilitate that exact same trade for fewer assets than you had stockpiled. Then you watch as your stockpiled losses, intended to hopefully grab the elite prospect you've been "working" towards, amount to nothing as that same dumb GM that screwed you in the first trade gets rewarded by sheer dumb luck. At this point Ainge might hate Nico almost as much as Mavs fans.
(Also, the Luka trade is the first time I recall another team helping facilitate a trade without knowing what was actually being facilitated. Maybe that's way more common than I know, but I'm wondering if that Luka trade makes it less common - why risk helping another team spend less than you would to get a player you would want?)
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - omahen - 05-15-2025
(05-15-2025, 03:16 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: I know you were just using it as an example but didn't think of Jrue to the Lakers. Aren't they pretty tied to Reaves or has that changed some? Reaves better suits the Luka timeline, but he is in line for a big pay raise after next season.
Jrue would probably help more now, I think. Although he is sort of on the Lebron timeline. If Jrue is healthy and they find a capable starter that should be a real good team. I am just not sure it is a contender and it opens up many more questions down the road imo.
I think Lakers should build for years after LeBron, not for remaining years with LeBron. He is awesome for a 40 year old, but he still is a 40 year old and if we forget about the age and just look at max contracts, he is not that great anymore. Based on this I think Reaves will only be traded for a long term very quality piece. I could see a trade for a more average player only if some considerable assets would also be coming back, that would give Lakers flexibility later to go after Robin. I don't think JRue at his age would be that guy anymore. This would be going all-in on a couple years of LeBron and Luka might just demand a trade or walk afterwards. To a team, that will be able to contend for the rest of his prime.
Personally, I see a lot of Brunson in Reaves. Always underapreciated, underestimated. But, he is a fighter and seems to me also a winner. Always plays with a chip on his shoulder as nothing was ever gifted to him. One of Lakers podcasts showed lineup data the other day (small sample alert) and Luka-Reaves lineups without LeBron, surrounded by three defenders, were in the 95+ percentile in the league on both sides of the court.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - omahen - 05-15-2025
Minnesota will be another interesting summer story to follow. They have approximately 150 mil committed with Randle and Naz Reid likely declining their POs. Randle has been awesome in the playoffs so far, scoring over 20 ppg with roughly 50 % from three. I wouldn't be surprised his new deal will be 40+ mil. Naz Reid will likely command over 20 mil. Those two guys alone at those numbers put them in the second apron and its still probably not a contender team yet (I don't see them beating OKC this season, if they finish Denver). NAW is their third important FA, they will most likely not be able to keep unless money is no limit whatsoever for them. Will the new owners accept the 2nd apron or will there be cost saving moves?
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - cow - 05-15-2025
Naz Reid has always fascinated me. He's developed a nice little drive move now where he kisses the ball off the window to finish the move, but he's so damned long that he's so far away from the basket that it almost from the range Duncan used to shoot his jumpers from.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - Smitty - 05-15-2025
(05-15-2025, 03:48 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I mean...maybe the plan IS to lean into that modern 5-out spacing, not with Lively standing in the corner, but at the top in the DHO game. That's something we've seen them implement more and more, but there's no world in which Gafford flourishes in that system, I don't believe.
Now we’re finally on the same wavelength.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - KillerLeft - 05-15-2025
(05-15-2025, 07:40 PM)Smitty Wrote: Now we’re finally on the same wavelength.
Sure, I just hate not having a clear indication of what wavelength THEY'RE on. Even the post-trade play is no help because the lineup was a revolving door of major injuries.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - RasheedsBigWhiteSpot - 05-15-2025
(05-15-2025, 02:21 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: They're not trading AD. We both know that, so that's a dead end.
For this reason alone, Nico should be gone already. His unnatural man-love for AD clouds his objectivity. There are a lot of reasons to move AD now (age, injury history, newfound glut at the position), but he would never consider it.