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RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - SleepingHero - 06-19-2025
Honestly I wonder how interested the Nets are to just sell off a couple of their mid to late FRPs for role guys.
Does Hardy+Naji+OMax get the Mavs #19+#27?
Naji obviously is the real selling point, but Hardy could be interesting for the Nets given they have a shortage of scoring AND Hardy can do that well.
Mavs do it because it frees up roughly ~14mil of space. Their 2nd apron worries are solved. They can now pick up a guard in the mid to late first round and use the other pick as trade fodder.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - SleepingHero - 06-19-2025
(06-19-2025, 06:32 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: Boston fans are already talking about PJ and Gafford. Boy would that be terrible.
If Flagg is the real deal, he immediately becomes the most impotent part of this franchise. More than AD, Kyrie, Nico and Kidd. jrue at his salary feels like a move to prove Nico right. Good player, I just can’t do that salary with the years left.
Also kings have to kings. Why do they need Jrue. LOL
I think Jrue is a total nonstarter for the Mavs. The cap math just doesn't work unless they really want to shake up the roster and trade off 2-3 core guys (PJ+Gafford+Klay).
OR if Kyrie does some radical shit and takes a 1+1 deal where he only gets paid like 20 mil or something.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - SleepingHero - 06-19-2025
(06-19-2025, 06:30 PM)Winter Wrote: But you can also make the argument that Exum and Klay are also big question marks regarding health.
It's a difficult argument for me. I wish there were a way to keep Gafford in such a trade, but it seems unlikely.
Klay has been durable his entire career apart from those 2 horrific injuries.
For full seasons since coming back he's played 69 games, 77 games, and last year 72 games.
Not concerned at all about Klay staying healthy.
I'm not sure Exum is coming back at this point. If he does at the minimum then that's great, but given those health concerns and the need for a guard that can fill in while Kyrie recovers, I think the Mavs look for a more durable guy.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - F Gump - 06-19-2025
(06-19-2025, 05:45 PM)Smitty Wrote: The Dallas Mavericks have emerged as a possible landing spot for Collin Sexton, per @andyblarsen
(h/t @All_Things_Mavs )
The FO disagrees with a few of you. Not that they’ll trade for him in the end.
The idea that DAL has now become a "possible landing spot" for Sexton far exceeds the report itself. Larsen's original point was that the Jazz have had exploratory talks about some players (in essence the teams have kicked the tires so to speak), but no claim that the other team or the Jazz has gotten "serious" at all on a swap.
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Welp, got aggregated today. I’ll say this as a point of clarification: while all of the possibilities I mentioned (Sexton to Dallas, LAL interest in Kessler, PHI interest in a pick 3/5 swap) have been discussed, they haven’t gotten into the serious stages to my knowledge.
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I’ll also say this: what I don’t know far, far exceeds what I do know. Those are real discussions that I’ve heard about from real people over the last few weeks, but I’m generally not, like, kept updated on the status of what’s currently happening.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - Smitty - 06-19-2025
“while all of the possibilities I mentioned (Sexton to Dallas, LAL interest in Kessler, PHI interest in a pick 3/5 swap) have been discussed”
“Those are real discussions that I’ve heard about from real people over the last few weeks”
I’m aware of the context. My point still stands, the Mavs have shown interest in Sexton. That’s why it’s being discussed here.
I get that you don’t like Sexton, or really any of the guards the Mavs have been connected with. I’m not really arguing your points because I don’t necessarily disagree. But the Mavs clearly want an upgrade and the logical move will have to include someone we like.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - F Gump - 06-19-2025
(06-19-2025, 07:09 PM)Smitty Wrote: “while all of the possibilities I mentioned (Sexton to Dallas, LAL interest in Kessler, PHI interest in a pick 3/5 swap) have been discussed”
“Those are real discussions that I’ve heard about from real people over the last few weeks”
I’m aware of the context. My point still stands, the Mavs have shown interest in Sexton. That’s why it’s being discussed here.
I get that you don’t like Sexton, or really any of the guards the Mavs have been connected with. I’m not really arguing your points because I don’t necessarily disagree. But the Mavs clearly want an upgrade and the logical move will have to include someone we like.
I am sure the Mavs would like an upgrade. For an actual upgrade, sure, it will take an investment of some value. I get it. That's how it works. And as I have said before, I would certainly be open to that if it's a fair value trade.
To the discussion here, I don't think Sexton (if he is perhaps "the best one who can be obtained by trade") is enough of an "upgrade" to really be worth an actual investment. That's true no matter what the Mavs think of Sexton (and I shudder to think that NTI is still the one making such evaluations and decisions.)
But think a bit. Put a different lens on the UT and DAL discussion. You seem to assume the idea they have talked means the Mavs were proposing to give up SOMEONE they would rather keep, in order to have Sexton. I don't make any such assumption. For all we know, the initiator of the conversation may have been UT (not the Mavs).
What would a shark do? Ainge: 'Hey Nico, nice Luka trade. I see you need a PG now. We're wondering if we can help you out. Would you like our Starting Point Guard Sexton? Look at his stats, just what you need. You can just send us some of your excess now that you have Flagg - we can settle for PJW and you can add some filler to make it legal and all."
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - Smitty - 06-19-2025
That’s very Doomer of you… or is it Boomer… hah. I get what you’re saying though. The trade for Sexton that I proposed earlier feels like a good deal for all teams. At least as I value them.
What if you can get the 'Mark Williams package' from the Lakers and then use that to send something to Utah for Sexton?
DAL: Sexton, '31 FRP (Lakers)
LAL: Gafford
UTAH: Vincent, Knecht, Hardy, '30 FRP Swap (Lakers)
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - vfromlmf - 06-19-2025
I’d sure like to get my hands on a list of players Rick Carlisle has shown interest in over the last 5 years. Elite coaching job tonight too.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - myconsumerclub - 06-20-2025
We need to get guys that are younger who have upside to develop alongside Cooper. AD, Kyrie, and Klay all have a short window of opportunity. You play them another season or 2 and then you got to find a home to send them somewhere so they can ride off into the sunset. 3 years from now AD will be on crutches and you will wish you had Gafford unless you get a pick and add another backup big in this draft.
Lively needs to be greatly encouraged to shoot the 3 more. I have seen him do it.
We should add a rookie big if this draft class lets us get a few picks. We need a spare PG picked first but if Gafford being traded happens you need something bigger like 7'0 Plus 250 Plus and can bang. Amari the ex Kentucky center prospect gets assists often enough I like that. The other Nembhard kid looks good.
UDFA's could offer us a chance to find a PG like Shulga and maybe a C that falls. Rather resign Exum than overpay Sexton and get stuck with his no D game. There is a reason he is jumping around so much.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - KillerLeft - 06-20-2025
(06-19-2025, 06:17 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: But I argue that AD and Lively's health are big enough question marks that it is VERY much needed to keep a great center on the bench during the season.
Sure, but not if they have 0/2 requisite starting level guards. To me, those problems aren't even in the same ball park as one another. It's nowhere near a calculated risk to go with the guards they currently have on the roster.
Are you guys WATCHING the finals? The two teams left standing have quick, fast ball-handling from guys who can pull up and stick it from anywhere on the court. The Mavs have EVERYTHING else covered, but a team cannot win without that ingredient. Not in 2026, at least.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - FireNicoHarrison - 06-20-2025
The biggest problem is thinking about next 2 seasons, we are not 1 piece away from contending.
We are 1 revolution away to contending.
The Harrison plan is a no plan (he just helped Lakers and Silver), trade street clothes and not resign Irving.
Keep a young core and build a good roster for 2030.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - DL2RimRocker - 06-20-2025
(06-19-2025, 06:32 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: Boston fans are already talking about PJ and Gafford. Boy would that be terrible.
If Flagg is the real deal, he immediately becomes the most impotent part of this franchise. More than AD, Kyrie, Nico and Kidd. jrue at his salary feels like a move to prove Nico right. Good player, I just can’t do that salary with the years left.
Also kings have to kings. Why do they need Jrue. LOL
I'm fine with Jrue as long as some draft picks are coming with him.
Boston fans are nuts if they think we would give up both Gafford and PJ for Jrue, but then with Nico you cant blame them for thinking it could be a reality..
I read one trade suggestion the other day Lively/PJ for Reaves. God what an idiot Nico must be perceived throughout the league.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - FireNicoHarrison - 06-20-2025
(06-20-2025, 01:55 AM)DL2RimRocker Wrote: I'm fine with Jrue as long as some draft picks are coming with him.
Boston fans are nuts if they think we would give up both Gafford and PJ for Jrue, but then with Nico you cant blame them for thinking it could be a reality..
I read one trade suggestion the other day Lively/PJ for Reaves. God what an idiot Nico must be perceived throughout the league.
PJ&Gaff are winning players (maybe Gafford not really in PO), young and with a probably good future contract... Not need to gift them.
Reaves will ask for 30M. No thanks. He can continue to help Luka&LeBron to lose PO games again.
Jrue is old and overpaid, if Boston adds picks it's ok.
Otherwise no thanks.
If Derrick White is on the table then it's another story... He is an insane player.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - F Gump - 06-20-2025
(06-20-2025, 12:26 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: Sure, but not if they have 0/2 requisite starting level guards. To me, those problems aren't even in the same ball park as one another. It's nowhere near a calculated risk to go with the guards they currently have on the roster.
Are you guys WATCHING the finals? The two teams left standing have quick, fast ball-handling from guys who can pull up and stick it from anywhere on the court. The Mavs have EVERYTHING else covered, but a team cannot win without that ingredient. Not in 2026, at least.
"quick, fast ball-handling from guys who can pull up and stick it from anywhere on the court. " --- I think the OKC and IND model is far more broad than that. And I don't think Sexton is anywhere close to being that sort of player.
It's imo about players who have length and play BOTH ENDS of the floor and can play in space and push the pace and are aggressive. Frankly, it looks to me like that is what the Mavs ARE looking for, and have some of, instead of some one-dimensional shoot-a-lot guys.
For example, when healthy, Exum is way closer to fitting that mold than Sexton. IMO B Williams too. They looked for those guys in Klay and AD, Gaff and PJW. Flagg certainly qualifies, in a MAJOR way, fwiw.
I agree that sort of player is what they should be chasing, whether in trade, as a FA, or via the draft.
At best, Sexton is a very expensive bandaid to fill a hole. But it's going back to platoon ball. They can do way better imo (by continuing to look for the right players who play BOTH ends of the floor, and develop them to be better at both ends).
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - Chicagojk - 06-20-2025
Is this more palatable?
Fake Jrue trade from
@CBAMavs
DAL sends Caleb Martin to BOS
DAL sends Jaden Hardy to BRK
DAL sends Daniel Gafford to ATL
BOS sends Jrue Holiday to DAL
BOS sends 28th pick and 32nd pick to DAL
BOS sends future 2nd to BRK
ATL sends 22nd and future 2nd to DAL
Would you do it?
Mavs(New)CBA
@CBAMavs
We do need to add in OMax or Powell. My bad on that
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - michaeltex - 06-20-2025
Looking at the last few pages, it seems there is a consensus to trade a PF/C to get PG help.
SH made the point that there is too much salary tied up in our front court. Getting Flagg only makes it worse. I agree with the analysis, but I think AD is the reason so much cap is tied up in a couple of positions. He's making ~$54M next season and is under contract through 27/28 where he's making almost $63M. He's making more that DLive + Gaff will be making combined in their next extensions. BTW, I think his cap hold after the contract expires is in the mid $70m range.
Trading AD is going to be an issue (apart from Nico's CYA strategy) just due to the size of his contract. But it's only going to get harder to move him, without picks, as the numbers grow. I think he's a phenomenal talent, even given his availability issues, but I never worried about AD beating us, it was always LBJ. I've heard Nico's comments about "win now", but not lately, and the advent of Flagg changes everything.
It's a new day in MavsLand and the MBT needs to seize the opportunity while they can.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - michaeltex - 06-20-2025
(06-20-2025, 09:25 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: Is this more palatable?
Fake Jrue trade from
@CBAMavs
DAL sends Caleb Martin to BOS
DAL sends Jaden Hardy to BRK
DAL sends Daniel Gafford to ATL
BOS sends Jrue Holiday to DAL
BOS sends 28th pick and 32nd pick to DAL
BOS sends future 2nd to BRK
ATL sends 22nd and future 2nd to DAL
Would you do it?
Mavs(New)CBA
@CBAMavs
We do need to add in OMax or Powell. My bad on that
In principle it looks OK, I don't know how the salaries match. But you are sending out a 26 y/o key rotation guy to bring a 35 y/o guard to fix a temporary problem.
A lot of picks moving around, but DAL ends up with ATL-22, BOS-28 and BOS-32? The latter might be the most valuable since you don't have to guarantee a contract for 2 years after the 1st round.
Still leaves AD and his big fat toad of a salary sitting right in the way of future progress.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - DanSchwartzgan - 06-20-2025
(06-20-2025, 07:18 AM)F Gump Wrote: At best, Sexton is a very expensive bandaid to fill a hole.
This is where you lose me. I can understand people not wanting to give up Gafford. I also get your desire for more of a two-way player and the critique that Sexton is too expensive. But "at best", he's an efficient scorer in a third guard role who is really good from 3 and can do some self-creation when needed. We have very little creation from the perimeter right now and could really use the outside shooting. Someone who can score 17-18 a game, hit 40% of his 3's AND play D is going to cost you four first rounders and some role players to match their salary (that will be about double what Sexton makes).
What I don't like when I look at Sexton's profile is he is never a plus in On-Court. He's been a plus in On-minus-Off, but that can be about who replaces you when you sit as much as it is about you...especially on a bad team. I dug a little deeper on his splits and one bit of encouragement might come from his profile pre-all star break versus post-all star break the last two seasons. He seems to be a different guy when the team is playing well (or in Utah's case, allowed to play well). But, his On Court just falls apart when the "we're trying" part of the season ends in Utah. Trades are always about projecting what someone might be here versus what they were there. That is why so many people missed how good Dinwiddie might be here that first season he helped get us to the WC Finals. I think Sexton's below average D might be closer to average here. The main factor being that he will have a fantastic back line behind him between Lively, AD and Flagg. I absolutely think his ability to hit an outside shot and create (for himself and others) in a bench role would help our offense (pre and post Kyrie's return).
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - DanSchwartzgan - 06-20-2025
(06-20-2025, 09:25 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: Is this more palatable?
Fake Jrue trade from
@CBAMavs
DAL sends Caleb Martin to BOS
DAL sends Jaden Hardy to BRK
DAL sends Daniel Gafford to ATL
BOS sends Jrue Holiday to DAL
BOS sends 28th pick and 32nd pick to DAL
BOS sends future 2nd to BRK
ATL sends 22nd and future 2nd to DAL
Would you do it?
Mavs(New)CBA
@CBAMavs
We do need to add in OMax or Powell. My bad on that
Jrue is closer to the 2-way talent we need (both pre and post Kyrie's return). The issue is his contract. In this construct, we aren't giving up much and we are getting paid something to take on the money. I don't really want picks 22, 28 and 32 in this year's draft. I'd much rather have a pick (even a 'worst of' pick) in 2027 so that we can free up some flexibility to trade picks going forward.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - Chicagojk - 06-20-2025
(06-20-2025, 09:43 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Jrue is closer to the 2-way talent we need (both pre and post Kyrie's return). The issue is his contract. In this construct, we aren't giving up much and we are getting paid something to take on the money. I don't really want picks 22, 28 and 32 in this year's draft. I'd much rather have a pick (even a 'worst of' pick) in 2027 so that we can free up some flexibility to trade picks going forward.
Yeah, doubt we would have interest in 3 more draft picks in this draft. I would probably be fine with 22 and even future seconds. A future first would be awesome.
Boston fans may be bummed, but they do clear a lot of money while getting a rotation player cost controlled for a few more years. No idea if Martin can be healthy. Atlanta may think 22 is rich. But if they leave the draft with pick 13 and Gafford that is a pretty good fit moving forward. They would have a pretty good rotation at Center with guys who compliment each other pretty well.
Adding all that salary is tough or Dallas. At least we are not giving away core pieces (outside of Gafford if you consider him core).
I also wonder if the Nets would get a pick for taking on Hardy. He is not a bad contract, but he is not really a need. Plus, they are going to have a lot of interest from teams to take on players. So they could do a bidding war. My initial thought is they do not take on Hardy for free. Edit...they do get a future Boston second in the above. I just think they may want more.