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RE: AROUND the NBA: Pat Bev Suspended 4 Games Next Season| PHX Fires Vogel, Hires Bud - HoosierDaddyKid - 05-10-2024
(05-10-2024, 10:29 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: @ShamsCharania
Mike Budenholzer has agreed to terms on a five-year, $50-plus million deal to become the new head coach of the Phoenix Suns, league sources tell
@TheAthletic@Stadium. Suns land the two-time NBA Coach of the Year and Arizona native.
The Phoenix owner is spending money like a drunken sailor. He signed Vogel to a 5 year deal, and he only got a year in before firing him. Hey Ishbia, it's not the coach that's the problem, it's the roster.
RE: AROUND the NBA: Pat Bev Suspended 4 Games Next Season| PHX Fires Vogel, Hires Bud - Scott41theMavs - 05-10-2024
(05-10-2024, 10:29 PM)HoosierDaddyKid Wrote: Denver looking like the champs tonight.
Nice to see them restoring order and bringing the Wolves back down to earth.
RE: AROUND the NBA: Pat Bev Suspended 4 Games Next Season| PHX Fires Vogel, Hires Bud - Mavs2021 - 05-11-2024
(05-10-2024, 10:42 PM)HoosierDaddyKid Wrote: The Phoenix owner is spending money like a drunken sailor. He signed Vogel to a 5 year deal, and he only got a year in before firing him. Hey Ishbia, it's not the coach that's the problem, it's the roster.So what? He still got them the best coach available and if you spend that much money on a your basketball roster it´s only smart to not cheap out on the coaching.
RE: AROUND the NBA: Pat Bev Suspended 4 Games Next Season| PHX Fires Vogel, Hires Bud - SleepingHero - 05-11-2024
(05-11-2024, 12:04 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: So what? He still got them the best coach available and if you spend that much money on a your basketball roster it´s only smart to not cheap out on the coaching.
Because coaching was never the issue with PHX. Replacing Vogel with Bud is a lateral move with maybe a payoff that it gets his stars to buy in. But coaching can't overcome zero bench and a lopsided starting 5 with overlapping skills.
That Beal trade destroyed them. They were better off keeping CP3 to be honest.
RE: AROUND the NBA: Pat Bev Suspended 4 Games Next Season| PHX Fires Vogel, Hires Bud - KillerLeft - 05-11-2024
(05-11-2024, 12:17 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: That Beal trade destroyed them. They were better off keeping CP3 to be honest.
Especially since what they’re missing most is a PG.
RE: AROUND the NBA: Pat Bev Suspended 4 Games Next Season| PHX Fires Vogel, Hires Bud - Lukedoncic - 05-11-2024
(05-10-2024, 10:29 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: The one guy at ESPN that watches and analyzes games. He's the only one that actually says smart things.
Hey! I won’t take that kind of slander against my man Hubie Brown!
He’s absolutely everything I wish Harper was…
RE: AROUND the NBA: Pat Bev Suspended 4 Games Next Season| PHX Fires Vogel, Hires Bud - HoosierDaddyKid - 05-11-2024
(05-11-2024, 12:04 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: So what? He still got them the best coach available and if you spend that much money on a your basketball roster it´s only smart to not cheap out on the coaching.
So what? Do you think Bud is any better than Vogel? I don't. They both won titles, they both coached megastars, both were fired. Cheap out on coaching? Show me a cheap coach. Like I said, the roster is the culprit. You're not making any sense whatsoever .
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RE: AROUND the NBA: Pat Bev Suspended 4 Games Next Season| PHX Fires Vogel, Hires Bud - Branduil - 05-11-2024
(05-11-2024, 12:17 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: Because coaching was never the issue with PHX. Replacing Vogel with Bud is a lateral move with maybe a payoff that it gets his stars to buy in. But coaching can't overcome zero bench and a lopsided starting 5 with overlapping skills.
That Beal trade destroyed them. They were better off keeping CP3 to be honest.
Nah, I would actually say the KD trade started the destruction. KD is finishing piece, but history has shown you can't win with him as Batman.
They would have been much better off building around Booker and Bridges, and trading CP3 and Ayton for a young star who fits with them.
RE: AROUND the NBA: Pat Bev Suspended 4 Games Next Season| PHX Fires Vogel, Hires Bud - Mavs2021 - 05-11-2024
(05-11-2024, 12:17 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: Because coaching was never the issue with PHX. Replacing Vogel with Bud is a lateral move with maybe a payoff that it gets his stars to buy in. But coaching can't overcome zero bench and a lopsided starting 5 with overlapping skills.
That Beal trade destroyed them. They were better off keeping CP3 to be honest.
Well I think Budenholzer is a better coach than Vogel. So I don´t see it as a lateral move. Enough of an upgrade to make a difference? I highly doubt that.
Kevin Durant has never been an alpha. Someone like KG was never an alpha either, but he was not a negative leader. He was just somebody that could not take over a game offensively, when necessary. He needed Paul Pierce.
KD is actuall a negative leader. He just drags the whole locker room down. Somebody that fights trolls on the internet with burner accounts is just too insecure to command the respect of a locker room. He always worked best, when he had a strong presence like Westbrook or Curry. When he had to be the top guy in Brooklyn and Phoenix he could not do it.
Also as we have seen recently. This is a young players league now. That´s why Phoenix always fades in the 4th quarters. That´s also why Kyrie basically only plays one half on offense.
The Beal deal didn´t kill them. It was the Durant deal. If they had Booker - Beal - Bridges - Johnson - Ayton (plus all those picks back), they´d be a much more dangerous team. Beal would be in the Kyrie role, while the young legs of the others carry the show. But the West is bad enough as it is, no need to think about an even stronger Suns team.
RE: AROUND the NBA: Pat Bev Suspended 4 Games Next Season| PHX Fires Vogel, Hires Bud - HoosierDaddyKidd - 05-11-2024
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/40121460/oakley-stands-firm-nixing-invite-msg-gets-dolan-apology
Not going back to MSG without a Dolan apology, Charles Oakley says Brunson is a better leader than Ewing.
RE: AROUND the NBA: Pat Bev Suspended 4 Games Next Season| PHX Fires Vogel, Hires Bud - HoosierDaddyKidd - 05-11-2024
https://twitter.com/esidery/status/1789313747716055533
The Lakers will interview Micah Nori for the HC job.
RE: AROUND the NBA: Pat Bev Suspended 4 Games Next Season| PHX Fires Vogel, Hires Bud - HoosierDaddyKidd - 05-11-2024
https://twitter.com/esidery/status/1789072894493855865
OG Anunoby is out the next 2 games.
RE: AROUND the NBA: Pat Bev Suspended 4 Games Next Season| PHX Fires Vogel, Hires Bud - HoosierDaddyKidd - 05-11-2024
https://twitter.com/esidery/status/1789061362036920629
The Lakers are not interested in bringing Vogel back.
RE: AROUND the NBA: Pat Bev Suspended 4 Games Next Season| PHX Fires Vogel, Hires Bud - HoosierDaddyKidd - 05-11-2024
https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1corc8k/bill_simmons_if_mazzulla_cant_get_to_the_finals/
Bill Simmons says if Joe Mazzulla can't get the C's back to the finals it'll be a huge choke job.
RE: AROUND the NBA: Pat Bev Suspended 4 Games Next Season| PHX Fires Vogel, Hires Bud - Mavs2021 - 05-11-2024
(05-11-2024, 10:37 AM)HoosierDaddyKidd Wrote: https://twitter.com/esidery/status/1789313747716055533
The Lakers will interview Micah Nori for the HC job.
That sounds like a "LeBron is not coming back" hire.
RE: AROUND the NBA: Pat Bev Suspended 4 Games Next Season| PHX Fires Vogel, Hires Bud - Knutsen - 05-11-2024
(05-11-2024, 10:55 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: That sounds like a "LeBron is not coming back" hire.
Interesting that they didn’t go after Budenholzer, isn’t it?
RE: AROUND the NBA: Pat Bev Suspended 4 Games Next Season| PHX Fires Vogel, Hires Bud - HoosierDaddyKidd - 05-11-2024
https://heavy.com/sports/nba/denver-nuggets/game-3-suspended-pack/
Most GMs felt that Murray should have been suspended instead of fined.
RE: AROUND the NBA: Pat Bev Suspended 4 Games Next Season| PHX Fires Vogel, Hires Bud - Scott41theMavs - 05-11-2024
(05-11-2024, 01:42 PM)HoosierDaddyKidd Wrote: https://heavy.com/sports/nba/denver-nuggets/game-3-suspended-pack/
Most GMs felt that Murray should have been suspended instead of fined.
Not condoning his actions, but glad he wasn't.
RE: AROUND the NBA: Pat Bev Suspended 4 Games Next Season| PHX Fires Vogel, Hires Bud - khaled1987 - 05-11-2024
(05-11-2024, 01:42 PM)HoosierDaddyKidd Wrote: https://heavy.com/sports/nba/denver-nuggets/game-3-suspended-pack/
Most GMs felt that Murray should have been suspended instead of fined.
He deserved it, but NBA would have killed the most anticipated series of 2nd round if they did.
RE: AROUND the NBA: Pat Bev Suspended 4 Games Next Season| PHX Fires Vogel, Hires Bud - The Jom - 05-11-2024
(05-11-2024, 02:18 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: Not condoning his actions, but glad he wasn't.
So many Nuggets fans on this board.