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RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - cow - 06-13-2025
Whatever you think the trio of Kryie, AD, Flagg window is, we can almost assuredly write off next year. Kyrie's going to miss the beginning of the season and we are going to struggle to stay afloat without him even if all the pet cats this board has purposed come to fruition. And even when he is back, I don't think he'll be 100% until the following season. Flagg is also a very young, inexperienced rookie and if we need to erase the thought that he could have a Luka like impact on the team. He'll almost assuredly be better than a rookie Dirk, but I'd wager he's closer to that than a rookie Luka (hope I'm wrong). That doesn't even factor in the coin flip that is Anthony Davis' health. So if we are counting on the following seasons as being the contending years, that gives you a 34 and soon-to-be 35 year-old Kyrie and a 33 and soon-to-be 34 year-old AD for that first seasons and assumes the rapid ascension of Flagg. And then you look at the landscape of the West with OKC and Houston leading the way and SA seemingly ready to compete along with the rest of the aging old guard..I just can't see us as a true contender. It seems painfully obvious we should look to do what what of the finals teams did after the success and fallout of the KD/Westbrook/Harden trio. I know Nico isn't going to do it, but being a play-in/late seed playoff team seems like a road to nowhere.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - DL2RimRocker - 06-13-2025
(06-13-2025, 02:15 PM)Winter Wrote: AD has played 50 games most years - nearly all of them. But that body is going to be harder to manage now. There's no telling about him.
While most big men have a lot of trouble staying healthy, two of the best big men ever - Wilt and Kareem - played 70-80 nearly every single season, Both of them I think had multiple seasons with at least 80 games.
I don't know how Wilt did it. He played Volleyball several years after basketball. I think he had only one season where he had a serious injury (when he was 33) then he played 3 straight 82 game seasons after that. That guy was freak of nature.
The last 5 years AD has played 36, 40, 56, 76 and 51.
He's been injured 3 times since he's been with us and has played a whopping 9 games (about 30%).
If Mavs fans loved the KP years then they will be thrilled to have AD throughout his contract.
I simply don't want to give up precious future assets to go all out with a win-now strategy.
In order to get a player that MIGHT put us in serious contention, we'd most likely have to include draft picks or young players like Christie. That would be foolish when you have an 18 year old future star and a very limited amount of draft picks to build around him.
We should be acquiring as many draft picks as we possibly can imo moving some of these former stars on the backend of their careers while they have some trade value left.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - FireNicoHarrison - 06-13-2025
It's just foolish try to win next 2 years but Harrison doesn't have much choice. He needs to survive, but his time here is almost over.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - F Gump - 06-13-2025
(06-13-2025, 06:23 PM)RasheedsBigWhiteSpot Wrote: Yes, Gump, ON PAPER, AD/Kyrie/Flagg is a formidable trio. But one ALWAYS misses at least a third of the season. Another is coming off a major knee surgery and is in his 30s. And the third, no matter how good he is or will be, will still be an 18yo rookie facing growing pains. If all three were at tip-top level, sure, go for it this season. But they're not.
And if the Mavs had all their draft capital, I'd say, sure, play it out and if this season or next doesn't work, retool around Flagg by trading your future picks. But they don't have any in abundance. So if AD inevitably gets injured, then what? Am I advocating for the AD for PG and #3 trade? Definitely not. But there's a middle ground to finding someone younger or more dependable than AD. Again, I LOVE the IDEA of AD, but not the pragmatic reality.
I'd much rather trade him for something that aligns with more than a 2 year window, especially if him not being here helps the Mavs afford to keep usable pieces like PJ and Gafford on movable contracts.
So give me Flagg, Kyrie, PJ, Gafford and the something that comes back for AD instead of...
Flagg, AD, Kyrie and the two role players or mid-round 1sts that come back for PJ and Gaff.
Plus, i think PJ and Gafford are more valuable here than what you'd conceivably get back in trades.
Do you think you are arguing with me? I am not married in the least to the idea of keeping AD -- just pushing back on a general fire sale to start over. I actually believe that AD is a bad fit on THIS roster (and have said so over and over!), and I believe the Mavs would be better served to trade him just so long as they can get fair value for him. (Unfortunately, Nico is still allowed to run things, although I'm hoping that he's either replaced or outvoted or magically gets smart.)
However, I'm definitely not in favor of a trade for the sake of a trade. I'm still waiting to see an idea in which the Mavs would get fair value for AD, where they are getting that caliber of player(s) but better fitting. And no, a trade whose value to the Mavs depends on getting way lucky in THIS generally weak draft is not value at all. When you read about the players after Flagg (and maybe Harper), even in the top 10, the analysts have HUGE question marks on every one of those guys (HUGE), and I'm not sure there's any of them who is regarded as great value and can't miss. I'm not interested in trying to get lucky on finding someone decent in this draft with the very real risk I get stuck with another OMax but this one is making 10M or maybe more.
Nor am I generally in a panic to move PJ or Gaff instead, if no plus trade of AD can be found. I can't regard either as surplus, when that depends on AD being healthy. My stance is that if they can't find the right AD trade, where they get fair value, don't get impatient and do another Nico Special.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - F Gump - 06-13-2025
(06-13-2025, 08:09 PM)FireNicoHarrison Wrote: It's just foolish try to win next 2 years but Harrison doesn't have much choice. He needs to survive, but his time here is almost over.
Okay, you're just one negative comment after another, for the sake of negativity, with no real contributions. Time to put you back on ignore. It's just no fun to listen to you.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - Ghost of Podkolzin - 06-13-2025
(06-13-2025, 07:02 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: FWIW, the Locked On Mav’s guys played a clip yesterday from the Locked On Bulls guys saying Daniel Gafford should be Chicago’s number one target. So, they were all about Coby White for Gafford as the core of a deal.
What is White's defense like?
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - DL2RimRocker - 06-14-2025
(06-13-2025, 06:23 PM)RasheedsBigWhiteSpot Wrote: Yes, Gump, ON PAPER, AD/Kyrie/Flagg is a formidable trio. But one ALWAYS misses at least a third of the season. Another is coming off a major knee surgery and is in his 30s. And the third, no matter how good he is or will be, will still be an 18yo rookie facing growing pains. If all three were at tip-top level, sure, go for it this season. But they're not.
And if the Mavs had all their draft capital, I'd say, sure, play it out and if this season or next doesn't work, retool around Flagg by trading your future picks. But they don't have any in abundance. So if AD inevitably gets injured, then what? Am I advocating for the AD for PG and #3 trade? Definitely not. But there's a middle ground to finding someone younger or more dependable than AD. Again, I LOVE the IDEA of AD, but not the pragmatic reality.
I'd much rather trade him for something that aligns with more than a 2 year window, especially if him not being here helps the Mavs afford to keep usable pieces like PJ and Gafford on movable contracts.
So give me Flagg, Kyrie, PJ, Gafford and the something that comes back for AD instead of...
Flagg, AD, Kyrie and the two role players or mid-round 1sts that come back for PJ and Gaff.
Plus, i think PJ and Gafford are more valuable here than what you'd conceivably get back in trades.
There is a lot of justifiable love for PJ from Mavs fans, but I honestly don't think it makes sense to keep him unless AD is moved.
Unless Kidd can find a way to make PJ a permanent starter, I can't imagine why he would want to re-sign to be a backup, and it wouldn't make sense for us to pay him starter salary to come off the bench.
I had the same concern about Brunson and that concern came to fruition.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - F Gump - 06-14-2025
(06-14-2025, 01:56 AM)DL2RimRocker Wrote: There is a lot of justifiable love for PJ from Mavs fans, but I honestly don't think it makes sense to keep him unless AD is moved.
Unless Kidd can find a way to make PJ a permanent starter, I can't imagine why he would want to re-sign to be a backup, and it wouldn't make sense for us to pay him starter salary to come off the bench.
I had the same concern about Brunson and that concern came to fruition.
The Brunson-like concern is real IF (but only if) PJW doesn't sign an extension. They need to get that buttoned down for overall payroll issues too.
I think most of us here are opining under the assumption (possibility) that PJW will be able to be extended at a number that makes sense. The same is true for Gafford.
If either is NOT doable, then that makes it easy and obvious decision to trade them. Of course. But I am optimistic because I believe both of them really prefer to be a Mav and will negotiate accordingly to make it possible. BTW, if you have an agreement in principle, the time to do an extension is after July 1, which allows a longer deal.
As for the issue of who starts, if one of Gaff/PJW/AD isnt traded, I don't see that as the issue that some do. To start the season, if everyone is healthy, you have 5 starters, and 5 slots, so main rotation should look something like this imo ...
Gaff/Lively
AD
PJW [Naji]
Flagg [Max]
Klay [Williams, Exum]
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - Chicagojk - 06-14-2025
(06-14-2025, 01:56 AM)DL2RimRocker Wrote: There is a lot of justifiable love for PJ from Mavs fans, but I honestly don't think it makes sense to keep him unless AD is moved.
Unless Kidd can find a way to make PJ a permanent starter, I can't imagine why he would want to re-sign to be a backup, and it wouldn't make sense for us to pay him starter salary to come off the bench.
I had the same concern about Brunson and that concern came to fruition.
The PJ decision is really tricky and will take a skilled hand navigating things. PJ is best as a PF. Right now he is sort of a nice to have, but not a need. That could change in a year or so. In a year or so, you may be desperately seeking for a 6’8 wing with athleticism, defense and toughness. Those type of guys are typically hard to find.
It is just really tough to find minutes for everyone. I would try to extend him and figure the rest out later. Give him the 89 million and give him security and then see how it plays out.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - ballsrchr - 06-14-2025
(06-14-2025, 01:56 AM)DL2RimRocker Wrote: There is a lot of justifiable love for PJ from Mavs fans, but I honestly don't think it makes sense to keep him unless AD is moved.
Unless Kidd can find a way to make PJ a permanent starter, I can't imagine why he would want to re-sign to be a backup, and it wouldn't make sense for us to pay him starter salary to come off the bench.
I had the same concern about Brunson and that concern came to fruition.
I agree with this except I think AD needs to be moved. Of course not as a Nico Special, but with real, tangible returns. In this way the Mavs might address the need for a good point guard, and hopefully, a number of high draft picks.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - Winter - 06-14-2025
(06-14-2025, 06:52 AM)F Gump Wrote: The Brunson-like concern is real IF (but only if) PJW doesn't sign an extension. They need to get that buttoned down for overall payroll issues too.
I think most of us here are opining under the assumption (possibility) that PJW will be able to be extended at a number that makes sense. The same is true for Gafford.
If either is NOT doable, then that makes it easy and obvious decision to trade them. Of course. But I am optimistic because I believe both of them really prefer to be a Mav and will negotiate accordingly to make it possible. BTW, if you have an agreement in principle, the time to do an extension is after July 1, which allows a longer deal.
As for the issue of who starts, if one of Gaff/PJW/AD isnt traded, I don't see that as the issue that some do. To start the season, if everyone is healthy, you have 5 starters, and 5 slots, so main rotation should look something like this imo ...
Gaff/Lively
AD
PJW [Naji]
Flagg [Max]
Klay [Williams, Exum]
If that's the starting lineup, that will likely mean Kidd is comfortable with Flagg being the primary playmaker. If that actually happens (and it works) I'd be thrilled.
What may happen to start the season is several other combinations.... (1) Klay goes to bench and Williams is PG. (2) PJ goes to the bench for Flagg and Williams is the PG.
There are things I like and dislike about all of them.
I will say this. Our 3-point percentage is going to need to be pretty good as a team if we are to be successful. I would think we might see Lively shooting a few more three-pointers if our spacing gets too crowded.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - Chicagojk - 06-14-2025
(06-13-2025, 07:02 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: FWIW, the Locked On Mav’s guys played a clip yesterday from the Locked On Bulls guys saying Daniel Gafford should be Chicago’s number one target. So, they were all about Coby White for Gafford as the core of a deal.
I was listening to Locked on Mavs yesterday. I am about 10 days behind and slowly trying to catch up. They discussed their perfect offseason. They discussed White and said they would for him and include Gafford, Omax and the lakers 29 first. Would you do that?
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - KillerLeft - 06-14-2025
(06-14-2025, 11:42 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: I was listening to Locked on Mavs yesterday. I am about 10 days behind and slowly trying to catch up. They discussed their perfect offseason. They discussed White and said they would for him and include Gafford, Omax and the lakers 29 first. Would you do that?
That Lakers '29 first is something I'd not include, no. I would prefer to move one of the Mavs' own picks, somehow, if a 1st was needed to get it done. I'd even be ok with moving another player in a separate deal to get another tradable 1st, if I had to.
I just have a feeling that Lakers pick is going to be GREAT when the time comes.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - F Gump - 06-14-2025
(06-14-2025, 11:42 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: I was listening to Locked on Mavs yesterday. I am about 10 days behind and slowly trying to catch up. They discussed their perfect offseason. They discussed White and said they would for him and include Gafford, Omax and the lakers 29 first. Would you do that?
No way. My initial thought is take the pick off the table, and add some salary that's not that useful (Hardy, Powell, or both), and then maybe kinda sorta he needs to be explored ...
... but I'm not convinced White is available, and you don't pursue guys like that,
... and I'm not convinced he's really what the Mavs need anyhow (his usefulness centers on his ability to shoot often, and is a so-so creator of offense for others, and I'm not sure that profile fits where the Mavs want to go),
... and if he's available, it has to do with future contract demands, which I don't think he'd be a priority salary in DAL and therefore he's great risk to lose after only one year, unless he signs an extension as part of the trade itself.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - Chicagojk - 06-14-2025
Fischer] Things are obviously fluid at this stage, but the two teams most frequently cited as potential landing spots for Durant entering Saturday's business, league sources say, were Minnesota and Miami.
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Feels like rumors like this and Suns insider Gambodoro saying they have 6 good offers for KD, that the Suns are just trying to create pressure on Houston and San Antonio to either engage or up their offers. I fail to see a lot of excitement with either Minnesota or Miami. Minny is pick weak and Randle or Gobert would have to be included. Miami probably has less. They have a few interesting young players but nothing to make PHX anything resembling a strong playoff team.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - omahen - 06-14-2025
Adams resigned with Houston for 39/3
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - F Gump - 06-14-2025
(06-14-2025, 01:39 PM)omahen Wrote: Adams resigned with Houston for 39/3
Sounds right, just a notch below MLE, and seems like Gafford should be doable for something similar.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - Smitty - 06-14-2025
(06-14-2025, 02:05 PM)F Gump Wrote: Sounds right, just a notch below MLE, and seems like Gafford should be doable for something similar.
If Gafford signs a 3/39 extension he has a very bad agent. Would be a steal for the Mavs though.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - SleepingHero - 06-14-2025
(06-14-2025, 02:40 PM)Smitty Wrote: If Gafford signs a 3/39 extension he has a very bad agent. Would be a steal for the Mavs though.
Both are similar players with similar production. Gafford is a bit better, but I don’t think many teams are lining up to give him anything more than 15 mil a year.
4/64 I think is a good top end for Gafford
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - Smitty - 06-14-2025
(06-14-2025, 03:26 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: 4/64 I think is a good top end for Gafford
That’s about what I expect also, if it’s the Mavs. If it’s a trade and extend, I think he can get more.