(06-11-2025, 10:10 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: Evan Sidery (@esidery)
The Hawks are looking to package Nos. 13 and 22 to trade up into the top 10 of the 2025 NBA Draft, per @Barlowe500 (https://t.co/kjhbWRGSzN).

Atlanta gained an additional first-round pick from the Kings due to the Kevin Huerter trade in 2022.

(06-11-2025, 04:28 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: Players like Sexton and Simons are the easiest to find in the NBA.  Granted Sexton is incredibly efficient, but I'd rather use Hardy for this role rather than spend any assets on these guys.

(06-11-2025, 04:45 PM)Nowitzki Way Wrote: Roster needs balancing for sure. I'm been a big believer in Hardy, but he's so inconsistent. I think he has a role in the NBA and possibly as like a 14-16 ppg scorer off the bench.  But starting to lose faith that's with the Mavs. 

I see a Gafford or P.J. swap for a guy KINDA like Sexton or Simons as sort of balancing things. Still not sure those are the types we need to balance though.

(06-11-2025, 04:28 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: Players like Sexton and Simons are the easiest to find in the NBA.  Granted Sexton is incredibly efficient, but I'd rather use Hardy for this role rather than spend any assets on these guys.

(06-11-2025, 06:16 PM)Smitty Wrote: Hardy isn’t an NBA level player. These comparisons go too far the other way.

(06-11-2025, 08:14 PM)Smitty Wrote: Blaming the coach for not giving a bad player more minutes is not new. I respect you bball opinions but can’t get there with you on this one. Let him loose made me laugh though.

(06-11-2025, 08:14 PM)Smitty Wrote: Blaming the coach for not giving a bad player more minutes is not new. I respect you bball opinions but can’t get there with you on this one. Let him loose made me laugh though.

(06-11-2025, 10:49 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: Thanks, ditto.  Can you better describe what you see as his deficiencies?

(06-12-2025, 07:10 AM)Smitty Wrote: I can give you a specific and detailed breakdown or I can say he's a bad version of Tim Hardaway Jr.

Let me know if that helps or not. When I have time, I can definitely dive deeper.

Edit*
Hardy is a slightly undersized SG that can't dribble, pass, or play-make but thinks he can. It's a terrible place to be for him. You noted his outside shooting numbers as his lone positive, but even then - most of his numbers come from garbage time against other 'not so good players'. He's the definition of streaky and I'm not saying that as a negative because a lot of shooters are, just pointing it out. He hasn't gotten better at one single thing since his rookie season. If anything, he's worse at just about everything. I was curious if the eye test and numbers agreed and they do.

Per 36 (to make it apples to apples)
Year 1: 43.8 FG%, 40.4 3P%, 53.3 eFG%, 57.1 TS%, 82.3 FT%, 4.5 TRB, 3.3 AST, 2.3 TOV/11.1 TOV%, 21.4 PTS, PER 14.6
Year 3: 43.5 FG%, 38.6 3P%, 52.7 eFG%, 54.9 TS%, 69.8 FT%, 3.5 TRB, 3.2 AST, 3.3 TOV/15.4 TOV%, 19.7 PTS, PER 10.4

And that's just the offensive side of the ball, where he's supposed to be a plus. Defensively, he's even worse. At 6'4 he's not so small that he should get picked on but on-ball he's one of the worst defenders I've seen on the Mavs, and the crazy thing is, he may be even worse as a team defender. He's either incredibly lazy or doesn't care. Either way, he's shown for 3 years now that he's an inefficient chucker, that turns the ball over too much, and a very very bad defender. Zero improvement to his game and someone that will likely be out of the league once his contract is up, unless he has an epiphany of some sort.

(06-12-2025, 07:10 AM)Smitty Wrote: I can give you a specific and detailed breakdown or I can say he's a bad version of Tim Hardaway Jr.

Let me know if that helps or not. When I have time, I can definitely dive deeper.

Edit*
Hardy is a slightly undersized SG that can't dribble, pass, or play-make but thinks he can. It's a terrible place to be for him. You noted his outside shooting numbers as his lone positive, but even then - most of his numbers come from garbage time against other 'not so good players'. He's the definition of streaky and I'm not saying that as a negative because a lot of shooters are, just pointing it out. He hasn't gotten better at one single thing since his rookie season. If anything, he's worse at just about everything. I was curious if the eye test and numbers agreed and they do.

Per 36 (to make it apples to apples)
Year 1: 43.8 FG%, 40.4 3P%, 53.3 eFG%, 57.1 TS%, 82.3 FT%, 4.5 TRB, 3.3 AST, 2.3 TOV/11.1 TOV%, 21.4 PTS, PER 14.6
Year 3: 43.5 FG%, 38.6 3P%, 52.7 eFG%, 54.9 TS%, 69.8 FT%, 3.5 TRB, 3.2 AST, 3.3 TOV/15.4 TOV%, 19.7 PTS, PER 10.4

And that's just the offensive side of the ball, where he's supposed to be a plus. Defensively, he's even worse. At 6'4 he's not so small that he should get picked on but on-ball he's one of the worst defenders I've seen on the Mavs, and the crazy thing is, he may be even worse as a team defender. He's either incredibly lazy or doesn't care. Either way, he's shown for 3 years now that he's an inefficient chucker, that turns the ball over too much, and a very very bad defender. Zero improvement to his game and someone that will likely be out of the league once his contract is up, unless he has an epiphany of some sort.

(06-12-2025, 04:35 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: As a former Jaden Hardy club member, I think there is something there.    It just won't be in dallas.  He really needs to round up his game.  Otherwise in two years he will be out of the NBA.  I think his value is very low.  I have no doubt he would have been moved at the deadline if there was any interest imo.  His flashes have been great.  It just hasn't happened enough or hide his warts.   

I have been working up a theory that these young players who played for the Ignite or play one year in college and then play in the G-league that it is not a good developmental stage.  The G league is filled with good players, but it just seems like the games don't really mimic NBA games.  It feels like you really cut yourself short by not going to college or spending a year in college and then get minutes in the G league.  I think it is a good sign that more kids are staying in school (with NIL) than looking to develop in the G league.  College has its faults but it is hard to duplicate the stress of conference games, Conference tournaments and NCAA tournaments.  It is really hard to get those reps playing in the G league imo.

(06-12-2025, 06:58 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: So you think in a couple of months the Mavs went from signing him to an extension to trying to unload him?  As fans we need to remember that franchises aren't Ninja chopped and microwaved.  I simply think it's impossible for that to happen unless he slept with someone's wife.

(06-12-2025, 04:19 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: Thoughts?

OKC:
SGA
Dort
JDub
Giannis
FA or Draft

MIL:
Dame
Cason
Kuzma
Chet
Hartenstein

IMO, it makes MIL better and makes OKC a dynasty

(06-12-2025, 08:04 PM)RasheedsBigWhiteSpot Wrote: Okay, this is a twist on my earlier trade idea. I think I'm on to something by piecing things together based on multiple recent reports:

Spurs want Durant
Sixers want to move up to #2 (but why? They have Maxey)
Suns want a lot of draft capital but pieces like Vassell, Barnes and Keldon Johnson don't exactly get them there,
Nets want to trade #19
Mavs DON'T want to trade either PJ or Gafford

Spurs get Kevin Durant, Jared McCain and LAC's 2028 #1 via Philly
Sixers get Anthony Davis
Suns get Paul George, #3, #19 (Nets), #35
Nets get Harrison Barnes and Lakers 2029 1st via Mavs
Mavs get Devin Vassell, Jeremy Sochan and #2

(06-12-2025, 10:56 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: Not sure why this deal makes sense at all from the Mavs perspective, nor does it answer the original points you posed in the beginning.

Sixers don't end up with #2 nor do they get any better given they've sent McCain, George, #3, and a LAC FRP out... and all they get in return is Anthony Davis? This deal raises so many questions just for the 76ers. Does Davis fit next to Embiid? Is Davis any less of an injury risk than George? Is Philly saving any money here given AD is making MORE than George over the next 3 years? 

If anything, the reasons why Philly wants #2 is because they want to move on from Maxey and think Harper is a better player. They could be correct. What does Maxey+#3 get you along with #2 in return should be the question.

The Nets in this deal eat an expiring deal for arguably the 3rd best asset in this trade and all they have to do is give up a mid-tier FRP? I think they say yes faster than the speed of light. 

Spurs' package for KD makes sense in terms of an asset perspective. Sochan, Vassell, Barnes, and #2 seems like a realistic basis for such a KD deal. 

But the Mavs side of this.. I mean I don't know man. Let's just assume the Mavs DO make out with the  #2 pick for AD. At that point, why are we keeping all of our best win now guys? Should we not just totally and entirely rebuild around Flagg+Harper? Why keep Kyrie? 

I just think this team, as is, needs to be given a shot. What if AD+Flagg are a crazy good duo? What if Flagg+Kyrie+AD work out and are a great core for at least 3 years?