DAL OFFSEASON: Trade & FA | Mavs "mostly done...but you never know." - Printable Version +- MavsBoard (https://www.mavsboard.com) +-- Forum: Boards (https://www.mavsboard.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=1) +--- Forum: Dallas Mavericks and the NBA (https://www.mavsboard.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=2) +--- Thread: DAL OFFSEASON: Trade & FA | Mavs "mostly done...but you never know." (/showthread.php?tid=565) Pages:
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RE: DAL OFFSEASON: Trade & FA (Nov 20) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - StepBackJay - 11-17-2020 (11-17-2020, 08:04 PM)Drew Wrote: Sure you can. If the Mavs draft for the team in Wednesday and consummate the trade Thursday You aren't going to do that deal with the player decision hanging in the balance. If THJ opted out then you just screwed up your trade. GM's aren't going to do that. RE: DAL OFFSEASON: Trade & FA (Nov 20) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - omahen - 11-17-2020 (11-17-2020, 08:03 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: You asking for us or the Rockets? Rockets. I just don't see Celtics pulling a trigger on that one. Philly yes, Celtics no. They have a young core of very good players (stars). They are just a couple of tweaks away from being a really serious longterm contender. Harden can ruin that in a season. RE: DAL OFFSEASON: Trade & FA (Nov 20) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - sefant - 11-17-2020 Supes Quote:He's Atlanta first choice and we are his. hopefully he is right RE: DAL OFFSEASON: Trade & FA (Nov 20) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - cjeter24 - 11-17-2020 Turned into to the Jump draft special on ESPN. Saw Perkins and Paul Pierce on... Immediately turned it off. What a clown show. Those guys are definitely draft guys lol what RE: DAL OFFSEASON: Trade & FA (Nov 20) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - Mavs2019 - 11-17-2020 Wrll weh (11-17-2020, 08:00 PM)jesusshuttlesworth82 Wrote:Well you threw out the numbers first saying that Hayward is a 20/5/5 guy.(11-17-2020, 07:52 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote:I don’t know if I had this screen name on the old site but I literally could not give two shits about a guys counting stats. It’s all about role and opportunity. Julius Randle must be borderline all nba then because he could put up 20/10 easy.(11-17-2020, 07:42 PM)jesusshuttlesworth82 Wrote:Not going to disagree that Hayward is better than THJ, but he literally never had a 20/5/5 season.(11-17-2020, 04:26 PM)cjeter24 Wrote:Dear Lord please stop. Health is the concern with GH. Otherwise, Hayward and THJ are not in the same stratosphere as players. Hayward made an all star team the west. He’s a 20/5/5 guy that can do a little bit of everything. THJ we kept from being a complete bum and one of the worst players in the nba by telling him to just catch and shoot off Luka dish outs.(11-17-2020, 04:21 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: That's a bold statement, my friend. You can say that he´s a creator and facilitator. No problem there. But he´s more of the 16/5/4 level, which I guess doesn´t sound as nice as 20/5/5, although you don´t care about the numbers. I acknowledged that Hayward is better than THJ, so not sure why you come at me with that. RE: DAL OFFSEASON: Trade & FA (Nov 20) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - jesusshuttlesworth82 - 11-17-2020 (11-17-2020, 07:57 PM)cjeter24 Wrote:(11-17-2020, 07:42 PM)jesusshuttlesworth82 Wrote:(11-17-2020, 04:26 PM)cjeter24 Wrote:Dear Lord please stop. Health is the concern with GH. Otherwise, Hayward and THJ are not in the same stratosphere as players. Hayward made an all star team the west. He’s a 20/5/5 guy that can do a little bit of everything. THJ we kept from being a complete bum and one of the worst players in the nba by telling him to just catch and shoot off Luka dish outs.(11-17-2020, 04:21 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote:(11-17-2020, 04:08 PM)cjeter24 Wrote: That's an extreme overpay. Hayward is basically only a solid starter right now. He's not a star. He's now 30. I'd rather trade for Tobias Harris on his awful salary then trade any decent asset we have for Hayward. If you’re trading for GH, it’s because you think it is. His numbers have been bad because injury and opportunity. Otherwise you don’t trade for him and sign him for 4 years as your number three. RE: DAL OFFSEASON: Trade & FA (Nov 20) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - KillerLeft - 11-17-2020 (11-17-2020, 08:10 PM)cjeter24 Wrote: Turned into to the Jump draft special on ESPN. Saw Perkins and Paul Pierce on... Immediately turned it off. Perkins is the WORST. He makes Chris Webber and Mark Jackson seem articulate. RE: DAL OFFSEASON: Trade & FA (Nov 20) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - jesusshuttlesworth82 - 11-17-2020 (11-17-2020, 08:10 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: Wrll wehOk he’s xy% of a 21/5.5/3.5 guy. His last two years in Utah. I’m not mad at all. Sorry if it comes across that way. If you don’t believe he has Utah GH in him when healthy, you don’t trade for him. There’s always desperate teams. I don’t think you’re getting him for a pu pu platter. At least either 18 or Maxi. RE: DAL OFFSEASON: Trade & FA (Nov 20) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - Tyler - 11-17-2020 (11-17-2020, 08:09 PM)sefant Wrote: Supes: He's Atlanta first choice and we are his. Could be. But if that's true, why delay the inevitable and push back the option date? IMO, this is setting up as the classic leverage situation where he's angling for a S&T to a 3rd team. RE: DAL OFFSEASON: Trade & FA (Nov 20) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - Kammrath - 11-17-2020 (11-17-2020, 08:15 PM)Tyler Wrote: Could be. But if that's true, why delay the inevitable and push back the option date? IMO, this is setting up as the classic leverage situation where he's angling for a S&T to a 3rd team. Exactly, zero reason to push back unless ATL is leverage. RE: DAL OFFSEASON: Trade & FA (Nov 20) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - Jason Terry - 11-17-2020 Boston had a deal for Hayward to Atlanta for the TPE Haywards agent got word and put the breaks on everything with the threat to opt out Hayward actually wants to play in Indy Donnie is doing Danny a solid by driving the price up after his plans fell through Hayward to Indy Possibly could mean Oladipo to Dallas in the same trade Possibly Boston stacking assets for a Harden trade RE: DAL OFFSEASON: Trade & FA (Nov 20) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - Mavs2019 - 11-17-2020 (11-17-2020, 08:15 PM)jesusshuttlesworth82 Wrote:(11-17-2020, 08:10 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: Wrll wehOk he’s xy% of a 21/5.5/3.5 guy. His last two years in Utah. I´d say you pay him $100M over the next four years, because you think you get Utah Gordon Hayward. Doesn´t mean that you have to pay for your future projection in the actual trade. Hayward doesn´t make us a title contender now and we have no pressure right now. We are at least another 24 months away from going full Jrue Holiday. There will be opportunities. Patience is key. We are two days into this trade window and some are already worried, we´ll never get anybody. RE: DAL OFFSEASON: Trade & FA (Nov 20) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - Aussiebballer - 11-17-2020 What are Boston going to trade for Harden? Jaylen Brown + picks? Can't see this being good for Tatum, standing in the corner watching Harden dribble for 15 secs is really going to help Tatum improve!!!! RE: DAL OFFSEASON: Trade & FA (Nov 20) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - ClutchDirk - 11-17-2020 https://twitter.com/AdamHimmelsbach/status/1328868348743049217 RE: DAL OFFSEASON: Trade & FA (Nov 20) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - jesusshuttlesworth82 - 11-17-2020 (11-17-2020, 05:03 PM)cjeter24 Wrote:He’s not opting out for either of those deals.(11-17-2020, 04:58 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Here's my prediction: RE: DAL OFFSEASON: Trade & FA (Nov 20) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - StepBackJay - 11-17-2020 I would be surprised if Hayward takes a big haircut on that first year's salary. We will see. Horford got a 100 million dollar deal last year over 4 years, couldn't Hayward get like a 3 yr 100 mil deal from the Hawks? I don't see him taking a double-digit cut from his first year's salary. If he does that would be a first, I haven't seen that really. RE: DAL OFFSEASON: Trade & FA (Nov 20) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - jesusshuttlesworth82 - 11-17-2020 (11-17-2020, 05:18 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: Here is a point nobody has touched yet.Huh? It’s because they have two elite wings. It’s like a stud backup qb. He’s worth a lot more to another team than the team he’s on. We have a PG and a center and no wings that start on a contender. He’s their third or even fourth best wing. RE: DAL OFFSEASON: Trade & FA (Nov 20) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - ClutchDirk - 11-17-2020 https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1328865021447827461 RE: DAL OFFSEASON: Trade & FA (Nov 20) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - Kammrath - 11-17-2020 (11-17-2020, 08:36 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: Horford got a 100 million dollar deal last year over 4 years, couldn't Hayward get like a 3 yr 100 mil deal from the Hawks? I don't see him taking a double-digit cut from his first year's salary. Except the whole financial reality of the NBA was totally transformed for at least the next three years in the last 9 months. Horford means nothing for contracts moving forward. RE: DAL OFFSEASON: Trade & FA (Nov 20) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - cjeter24 - 11-17-2020 Hardaway was 7th in 3s made last year. Hayward was 119. Even if you go with Haywards total his final year in Utah he is at 50th. That's a big drop off in shooting even tho Hayward is a very solid and capable shooter. He won't shoot at the same volume. With the amount of open looks Luka generates the drop in shooting isn't nothing. And outside of the all star year for Hayward more volume hasn't led to efficiency for him from 3. All that being said, I think Hayward is the better player when healthy clearly. But I think they are in the same range of each other. And that's not even bringing contracts into it. I'm just evaluating on recent history. GH has given me no reason to think he ever returns to prime Utah days. |