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RE: FA: Buddy Hield to GSW | - DanSchwartzgan - 07-05-2024
(07-04-2024, 03:56 PM)F Gump Wrote: ONLY if it helps in the touch rule, which means that guard is coming to Mavs from GS, CHA, PHI, or MIN, and/or the player the Mavs are sending away goes to one of those teams. But adding a 6th team would add another layer of needless complexity to everyone else, and since the Mavs can easily take back the player contract they want in this possible exercise (multiple exceptions, for both signing or trading), I wouldn't expect to see team 6 added.
Added - I went back and logged the team ties, and unless I missed something, the team touches so far are as follows --
DAL -- GS CHA PHI
CHA -- DAL MIN
GS -- DAL MIN PHI
MIN -- GS CHA
PHI -- GS DAL
This is good info.
What if McCain came to Dallas, Hardy went to Minnesota and NAW went to Philly. That gets us a younger PG behind Exum and clarifies the Hardy/Grimes thing at SG. It also gets you a few more touches that you don’t have.
RE: FA: Buddy Hield to GSW | - Smitty - 07-05-2024
(07-05-2024, 08:34 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: This is good info.
What if McCain came to Dallas, Hardy went to Minnesota and NAW went to Philly. That gets us a younger PG behind Exum and clarifies the Hardy/Grimes thing at SG. It also gets you a few more touches that you don’t have.
FRP McCain? I haven’t looked at Phillys roster after the new moves. But I don’t hate a Hardy swap for McCain, especially with the contract/agent questions I have for Hardy.
Is there a reason you mentioned those other names specifically? Some report or rumor or just because it fits in your mind?
RE: FA: Buddy Hield to GSW | - Dahlsim - 07-05-2024
(07-03-2024, 07:06 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: Defensive metrics has never been kind to Klay. Even in his prime. This video explains what he did well and even then he was rated as average in all the defensive impact metrics, which we knew at the time were false given what we saw on the court and the results.
Lastly, the Warriors traded their 2030 FRP to the Wizards for CP3. And that pick is top 20 protected. That means of their picks 2029 and 2031 are off limits and the most they could give to UTA in any Lauri deal is 2025+2027 OR 2026+2028. So 2 picks. The same amount the Mavs could offer funnily enough.
Good find, thanks for sharing. My takeaway from the very good analysis here is that as he says, one number defensive metrics can leave holes that miss certain strengths of a player while accurately capturing other metrics. He rates Klay is a good defender, not all NBA worthy even then pointing out where at his size he shines in his flexibility as a defender.
His switch-ability to do a good to decent job on top perimeter players then hold his own against big men translates for me to a dependency on how the coaching staff use him and the fit with the rotations he is in.
Interestingly he also comments that Klay's defensive style tends to be more North/South oriented than lateral so he thinks his post-injury defense would not suffer as much as other players might.
RE: FA: Buddy Hield to GSW | - F Gump - 07-05-2024
(07-05-2024, 08:34 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: This is good info.
What if McCain came to Dallas, Hardy went to Minnesota and NAW went to Philly. That gets us a younger PG behind Exum and clarifies the Hardy/Grimes thing at SG. It also gets you a few more touches that you don’t have.
I don't know any of those players, and would only want additions that made roster sense.
I don't recall the specifics of the touch rules (and can't find my notes on that non-CBA set of rules, to know whether that addition is needed).
RE: FA: Buddy Hield to GSW | - SleepingHero - 07-05-2024
(07-05-2024, 08:34 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: This is good info.
What if McCain came to Dallas, Hardy went to Minnesota and NAW went to Philly. That gets us a younger PG behind Exum and clarifies the Hardy/Grimes thing at SG. It also gets you a few more touches that you don’t have.
Dang, if the Mavs managed to swap Hardy for McCain I'd be very impressed.
I like Hardy a lot but McCain has shown he can both facilitate and score. Solid shooter, passer, and defender for his size.
I don't really think Philly is that interested though given McCain's contract is cost controlled for 4 more years while both Hardy and NAW are due for extensions.
RE: FA: Buddy Hield to GSW | - DanSchwartzgan - 07-05-2024
(07-05-2024, 08:51 AM)Smitty Wrote: FRP McCain? I haven’t looked at Phillys roster after the new moves. But I don’t hate a Hardy swap for McCain, especially with the contract/agent questions I have for Hardy.
Is there a reason you mentioned those other names specifically? Some report or rumor or just because it fits in your mind?
It isn't probably realistic. I don't think you hold up a 5 team trade while you wait for McCain to be tradeable. The main thing behind it was a PG who went to Duke (I'm now looking for Kyrie connections more than agent connections). Philly gets a veteran guy to replace some stuff they've lost. Minnesota saves a bit on their tax bill and gets an O first guy in Hardy. Just spit-balling more than anything.
If you think about the bench, you have a pure center in Gafford. You have a 4/5 in Maxi, a 3/4 in Marshall, a 2/3 in Grimes and arguably a 1/2 in Exum. What we might could use is more of a developmental guy (resetting the timeline on Hardy) who is a pure PG who can work behind Exum while he's still here.
RE: FA: Buddy Hield to GSW | 3yrs/21mil - khaled1987 - 07-06-2024
Heild is a good shooter and a bad player IMHO.
He barely makes impact at winning games in most of his teams IMO. I feel he is one of those players where the "idea of him" is different than reality.
His first playoff appearance was this year, at the age of 31, he have a 4 game playoff experience at which he scored a total of 22 career playoff points against the mighty injured knicks.
Klay might have declined, but I will take him over Hield assuming health isn't an issue.