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RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - cow - 06-02-2025
(06-02-2025, 04:22 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: Yep, I am going down with the ship with Lively. I think he is a winning player and is the type of guy you want more of, not less. Of course, he may be injury prone and it may bite you. Jones may also be the better player. Although, the fit with him would still be odd. I just think Lively is not a player you trade. I think he has the skill and leadership to be on the floor at the end of a championship series.
I'd like to see Lively for another season and if he continues to miss games at the same rate, I'm fine moving on, but at the point if our front office decides to trade him, I'm guess most other teams are going to believe in the same narrative. Herb Jones seems like a finishing touch to a rotation type of player with a roster not near this construction, so the trade would mostly be about #7. So are there can't miss prospects in the 5-9 range that you'd love to have instead of Lively's potential and hopefully better health as he's finally coming into his man body? I'm in no rush so I'd rather just see what Lively is this year, but also don't know much about this draft class. Everything I've read says beyond #2, it's a bit of a crapshoot.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - Winter - 06-02-2025
My question is really Dante Exum instead of..... who? Is that your backup PG?
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - Mavs2021 - 06-02-2025
LMAO. ESPN has an article up: Three dumbass trades for Flagg that the dumbass Mavs might not reject immediately.
Booker + 29th pick + Knicks 2028 1st + Wolves 2029 1st for Flagg + Washington
Mitchell + Lakers 2031 1st + two Lakers swap rights for Flagg + Washington + Gafford with the Lakers getting Jarrett Allen to make the Lakers swap rights useless.
Harper + bunch of trash future picks for Flagg
Lakers already working on Nico through ESPN to bait him into another dumbass trade.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - david75090 - 06-02-2025
(06-02-2025, 04:39 PM)Winter Wrote: My question is really Dante Exum instead of..... who? Is that your backup PG?
I'd bring back Exum and Dinwiddie before I'd trade assets for Ball. Ball is an injury concern, Exum is an injury concern.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - F Gump - 06-02-2025
(06-02-2025, 05:25 PM)david75090 Wrote: I'd bring back Exum and Dinwiddie before I'd trade assets for Ball. Ball is an injury concern, Exum is an injury concern.
I agree with you on Ball being undesirable IF the trade package for Ball does not offer a significant payroll/roster space benefit (Martin outgoing, along with Hardy, Powell, or both), and agree you have to be set up where you don't really depend on him being healthy or necessarily playing a big role. I also think his game needs work, but wonder if tutelage under Kidd might be just what he needs.
But if they can do a Ball trade like that, and also keep Exum for only minimum (which is actually a slight raise), it should open up TxpMLE to perhaps sign someone useful like Tyus Jones or CP3. THAT is a huge benefit to get into that position (even if you've taken a questionable player to do it). Both of those players played almost every game last season and were helpful to their teams with good shooting and assists (and meh defense, admittedly, but the Mavs bigger need is a PG to help the offense imo).
In theory you MIGHT be able to get a TxpMLE without a Ball trade, via some combination of Kyrie contract redo and moving players like Martin, Hardy, and Powell for air (or a pick), but in some way or another you do need to open up some roster spaces (as well as reduce payroll).
I do see B Williams as potentially playing many minutes and being a MAJOR part of the equation.
I would expect them to have AT LEAST one two-way guy to develop and use in case of emergencies, and maybe even two, and would think they somewhat prioritize this in the next month or so. Having NBA minutes that might be available to a two-way player, along with Kidd the all-time PG as a coach, should put them on speed dial with player agents who rep the better PG possibilities.
On SD, he was healthy last season which is a plus, but I really want to move on and use the minutes he played in another way, because I don't think he was even as good as GL level. Unless he was embracing a subtle tank, he was pretty bad down the stretch.
My end result would include a huge contingent of potential PGs on the roster, and this is the order in which they would be easy to get in the current situation:
1 [Kyrie]
2 Williams
3 Exum
4 2-way
5 Ball
6 CP3/Tyus [or someone we haven't noticed]
Is doing 1-4 enough, where the result is easily controlled, and where either or both of the last 2 aren't actually needed? I don't think so because of the question marks on Exum's reliability.
Exum and Ball are both big enough to also play at SG and defend well, in the (unlikely) event everyone stays healthy all year and PG minutes get hard to find.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - cow - 06-02-2025
CP3 played 82 games last year. He'd also have a meaningful role prior to and after Kyrie returning.
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RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - DanSchwartzgan - 06-02-2025
(06-02-2025, 02:58 PM)RasheedsBigWhiteSpot Wrote: Locked on Mavs was talking Herb Jones trades and I had a variation of something they proposed. Would ya?:
Mavs get Herb Jones and #7
NO PElicans get Lively, Christie and OMax
Congrats on constructing something that at least gave me pause (and might also be interesting to NO). Herb Jones doesn't provide the floor spacing we'd like (and need as currently constructed). But, other than that he's really good and miles ahead of Christie. He's not old and fits well with the PJ/Gafford age group. He is just a winner any time he steps on the court and Nico has supposedly tried to get him before.
So, is the spread between Jones/Christie enough to make you risk Lively for #7. That's basically it, right? One thing to factor here is Lively will be on his extension before the big cap room year when Irving/AD presumably fall off. By contrast, #7 and Flagg will still be on their rookie deals. Looking ahead, that is a factor as you retool around Flagg after the next 3 seasons. I'm intrigued by the Illinois PG at #7. I'm not an NBA scout, but it looks like he would fit well beside or instead of Kyrie. So, he checks a box. I could also see drafting Klay's eventual replacement here too.
One thing missing in the deal is we'd need to send out more salary. #7 makes $7.5mm, so probably better for us to send Martin (which also gets rid of his bonus). We can maneuver under the second apron even if Kyrie opts in (and get to the T-MLE if he opts out and takes enough of a discount. So, do I like:
AD Gafford Kai Jones/Powell
Flagg Naji OMax
PJ H. Jones
Klay Exum Hardy
Kyrie Jakucionis Williams
I think I could talk myself into this if I loved someone, but I really like Lively. I guess I'd need to know what was out there in a Gafford deal in order to pick.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - F Gump - 06-02-2025
I don't like that Herb Jones trade for lots of reasons, but mostly because it's a high price (Lively) to be paid, and I don't think it really offers an upgrade.
On paper, H Jones is a very good defensive player, but he's coming off MAJOR shoulder surgery that imperils his ability to shoot. He only played 20 games last season. It remains to be seen when he will be healthy again (the guess is by next season, but it's far from certain, and his injury was worse than most of that kind) and to what degree he will be impaired going forward -- but his shooting was already very very suspect without the injury. And do we need ANOTHER injured guy?
Oh, and one more thing about Jones - where do you play him? What need does he fill? Heck, we already have that guy in PJW (who's actually healthier and a better shooter) and everyone wants to ship him away as surplus. With H Jones, yes I recognize the eternal lust for him from many, where it's like Pavolv's dog whenever his name is mentioned, but I really don't get it.
The pick? The problem imo is there's no one really impressive to consider at 7, ESPECIALLY one who would provide what the Mavs need (superior shooting and offense creating). I suspect there may be someone who eventually emerges from this draft and turns into a good-to-very-good PG, but I'll be swear if I can figure out which one that will be. It's way more of a crapshoot than usual.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - cow - 06-02-2025
Selling off parts before we even know what works well with Flagg is going down the same path we did with Luka and Luka was much more developed so that evaluation was much easier and we completely botched it anyway. Lively and The Landlord might compliment him perfectly as could PJ's defensive abilities. I wouldn't shuffle chairs unless someone is willing to overpay and offers a no-brainer deal.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - Knutsen - 06-03-2025
(06-02-2025, 11:23 PM)F Gump Wrote: I don't like that Herb Jones trade for lots of reasons, but mostly because it's a high price (Lively) to be paid, and I don't think it really offers an upgrade.
On paper, H Jones is a very good defensive player, but he's coming off MAJOR shoulder surgery that imperils his ability to shoot. He only played 20 games last season. It remains to be seen when he will be healthy again (the guess is by next season, but it's far from certain, and his injury was worse than most of that kind) and to what degree he will be impaired going forward -- but his shooting was already very very suspect without the injury. And do we need ANOTHER injured guy?
Oh, and one more thing about Jones - where do you play him? What need does he fill? Heck, we already have that guy in PJW (who's actually healthier and a better shooter) and everyone wants to ship him away as surplus. With H Jones, yes I recognize the eternal lust for him from many, where it's like Pavolv's dog whenever his name is mentioned, but I really don't get it.
The pick? The problem imo is there's no one really impressive to consider at 7, ESPECIALLY one who would provide what the Mavs need (superior shooting and offense creating). I suspect there may be someone who eventually emerges from this draft and turns into a good-to-very-good PG, but I'll be swear if I can figure out which one that will be. It's way more of a crapshoot than usual.
I‘m completely with you - Herb Jones was a perfect fit on a Luka-centered team, but he‘s far from a perfect fit on a projected Flagg-AD-team that’s way better on D than creating offense.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - khaled1987 - 06-03-2025
(06-02-2025, 04:39 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: LMAO. ESPN has an article up: Three dumbass trades for Flagg that the dumbass Mavs might not reject immediately.
Booker + 29th pick + Knicks 2028 1st + Wolves 2029 1st for Flagg + Washington
Mitchell + Lakers 2031 1st + two Lakers swap rights for Flagg + Washington + Gafford with the Lakers getting Jarrett Allen to make the Lakers swap rights useless.
Harper + bunch of trash future picks for Flagg
Lakers already working on Nico through ESPN to bait him into another dumbass trade.
There is those articles every year with every first pick tbf
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - omahen - 06-03-2025
(06-02-2025, 11:33 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: @TheDunkCentral
Giannis Antetokounmpo and the Toronto Raptors reportedly have mutual interest, per
@TorontoStar
It was long rumored about Masai - Giannis connection. Also the reason why Atlanta wants either Masai or Giannis agent as their new GM (or president or whatever nice title he gets besides that cap scientist they already promoted). However, rumors from Giannis side were focused on big market teams. Since he has 2 more years on his deal, his negotiating power is not that great. Someone could take a bet for two years window with him, even if losing him for nothing. Toronto did it with Kawhi. This summer is a time when Milwaukee can get biggest haul. Next season he will be expiring and will really be able to dictate where he wants to go.
I wouldn't be that enthusiastic about Toronto package, if I am Milwaukee though. Scottie Barnes is imho not an alpha but paid like one. The rest are decent starters that could be good in right situations, but none of them, other than perhaps Poeltl, on great deals. Quickley, Barret and Ingram are imho overpaid for the roles they are capable playing. They have some nice young prospects like Dick, Agbaji and rookies from last season, but none of them really has potential to become Batman or Robin, imho. I think Houston or SA can make far better packages and offer Giannis a chance to compete.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - HoosierDaddyKid - 06-03-2025
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/45425353/potential-trades-top-2025-nba-draft-pick-cooper-flagg-dallas-mavericks
Potential trades for CF if Mavs decide to deal.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - Chicagojk - 06-03-2025
Saw this on. Raptors board after seeing how they may have interest in Giannis. Any interest?
Move #5 - Trade RJ Barrett to Mavs for PJ Washington + Caleb Martin + Dwight Powell
Incoming Salary = $27.7m
Outgoing Salary = $27.7m
*The Mavs will be over the second apron following the selection of Cooper Flagg + picking up team option on Olivier-Maxence Prosper, so this deal is contingent on them finding some cap relief to get under the second apron (~$2.9m) unless they decline OMP's team option. A 3rd team (like BKN) can be added to eat salary from Dallas in exchange for a future second round pick or low-tier prospect. Unlikely option is that Kyrie declines his player option, saving the team short-term money in exchange for a longer guarantee.
PJ Washington gives us a great forward option to come off the bench. He is big, athletic, and can hit 3's at a respectable clip. He rounds out an outstanding 3 man forward core with Giannis and Ingram. He is expiring next offseason, so we should look to resign him. 3/$55m is a raise for him and seems reasonable for us. Martin and Powell are there to match salary, but Martin is a decent bench wing option for depth purposes.
For Dallas, Kyrie will be out for a significant portion of the season and the team desperately needs some guard scoring/creation. RJ provides just that in the interim period, and can be moved to the bench as a 6man once Kyrie returns. Additionally, Dallas is in a salary position where they cannot afford to let guys walk. PJ is an expiring UFA next offseason and so is Gafford. Getting RJ keeps that salary on the books which is vital for a team that is trying to contend.
Post-Trade Salary Position: $2.9m over 1st apron / $9m under 2nd apron (all + $1.8m after July 31)
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - F Gump - 06-03-2025
(06-03-2025, 07:19 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: Saw this on. Raptors board after seeing how they may have interest in Giannis. Any interest?
Move #5 - Trade RJ Barrett to Mavs for PJ Washington + Caleb Martin + Dwight Powell
Incoming Salary = $27.7m
Outgoing Salary = $27.7m
HARD PASS. Great for TOR and an abomination for Mavs. Mavs turn 3 modest contracts onto 1 overpaid guy who's not as valuable as PJW, who plays a position that is already overloaded (while they have huge needs elsewhere) - and in the process makes their payroll issues worse by about 4.5M. The trade is illegal too.
HARD AS CONCRETE PASS for me. Ugh.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - Winter - 06-03-2025
I have seen a few potential trades involving PJ going somewhere. In every trade I saw, the incoming player(s) were never as good as PJ.
When it really comes down to it, I don't like losing PJ. He's gotten to the point where he's good everywhere - perimeter, inside game, rebounding, man defense, blocks a few shots. If we lost him, I'm not sure we could get back that value.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - Chicagojk - 06-03-2025
(06-03-2025, 09:19 AM)Winter Wrote: I have seen a few potential trades involving PJ going somewhere. In every trade I saw, the incoming player(s) were never as good as PJ.
When it really comes down to it, I don't like losing PJ. He's gotten to the point where he's good everywhere - perimeter, inside game, rebounding, man defense, blocks a few shots. If we lost him, I'm not sure we could get back that value.
That is why I mention the mavs need to act in a position of strength. pj and Gafford are good players. They need to act on strength in any trade discussions. For that matter, everyone else. For the most part the Mavs have good/decent players on good/ok contracts.
I have no idea how they make a roster that fits and/or keeps everyone happy with minutes. That doesn’t mean they need to make a move just to make a move that may not make you better as a roster.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - DanSchwartzgan - 06-03-2025
(06-02-2025, 11:23 PM)F Gump Wrote: I don't like that Herb Jones trade for lots of reasons, but mostly because it's a high price (Lively) to be paid, and I don't think it really offers an upgrade.
On paper, H Jones is a very good defensive player, but he's coming off MAJOR shoulder surgery that imperils his ability to shoot. He only played 20 games last season. It remains to be seen when he will be healthy again (the guess is by next season, but it's far from certain, and his injury was worse than most of that kind) and to what degree he will be impaired going forward -- but his shooting was already very very suspect without the injury. And do we need ANOTHER injured guy?
I could see someone on a NO board making a similar case against Lively. Super young and already getting broken bones in his feet. Not a good sign for his long term future yada yada yada.
Part of why I struggle with Gafford trades is it leaves us with two centers who might just be made of glass. But, I also don't love having so much of our talent based tied up in Gafford, AD and Lively. What to do? I don't like trading Lively or Christie, but I could bring myself to do it if it landed a high level youngish player that better balanced the roster. I'm not sure Jones/#7 does that. But, I could see such a deal if the replacement for #7 was more of a known quantity.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - ACMFFL - 06-03-2025
(06-03-2025, 07:01 AM)HoosierDaddyKid Wrote: https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/45425353/potential-trades-top-2025-nba-draft-pick-cooper-flagg-dallas-mavericks
Potential trades for CF if Mavs decide to deal.
All god-awful deals for the Mavs tbh.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - michaeltex - 06-03-2025
(06-03-2025, 10:18 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: That is why I mention the mavs need to act in a position of strength. pj and Gafford are good players. They need to act on strength in any trade discussions. For that matter, everyone else. For the most part the Mavs have good/decent players on good/ok contracts.
I have no idea how they make a roster that fits and/or keeps everyone happy with minutes. That doesn’t mean they need to make a move just to make a move that may not make you better as a roster.
I agree. There is something to be said for drafting Flagg and then seeing what can be done farther down the bench with Powell/Hardy/Martin. Wouldn't mind making a spot to see if Jones can continue to contribute. Obviously, the team is thin at PG, but re-signing a healthy Exum and seeing if BWill can continue developing while waiting on Kyrie's return might be enough.
Kidd is known for playing with lineups and rotations for the first few months anyway, so, unless someone makes you an offer you can't refuse, see what you have with the guys who are here. We never really saw a healthy team post-TDL last year. AD was out, DLive was out and Gaff was out until the last few games. PJ missed time with nagging knee issues. Naji had the suspension and some kind of nagging illness all season. We got positive glimpses of Jones and BWill in and around 10 day contracts and 2-way game limitations. And that was all on top of the time Luka missed pre-trade.
I realize this doesn't really address the salary cap/apron and extension issues. But as a fan, I am content with seeing what this team looks like before making a bunch of trades just to make them. Mid-December up to the TDL might offer more interesting trades not available this summer.