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RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - DanSchwartzgan - 05-30-2025
Hardwood Knocks put out their Mav's look-ahead today. They didn't fully vet exact salary matches for every one of these ideas, but if you know them, you know they are fairly sophisticated. They understand the rules and that deals probably require Kyrie dropping his salary back some and/or shipping someone off to a third team to stay under A-2. With that said, here are some of the ideas...many of which haven't been discussed here:
Is there anything another team could offer to make you even pause for a second and think about trading Cooper Flagg?
A: Charlotte gives #4, Ball and Dallas's 2027 back? They said no, they wouldn't do it if they were Dallas, but it would at least get them to answer the phone.
Non-Flagg deals (often involving Gafford or PJ or in some cases both:
Bogdanovic from the Clippers. Contract is $16mm this season and TO for $16mm next season. Idea revolved around Gafford and some additional minor salary going out also. Good fit next to Kyrie and probably could hold it together (along with Flagg) during the regular season while waiting for Kyrie. But, he's coming off an off-year and has had some injuries now that he's into his 30's. TO in 2026 is a plus.
Ivey from Detroit. This is a second draft opportunity. Unfortunately the same spacing issues and ball handling issues that hurt him in Detroit would hinder him here. Not sure if this was a PJ deal or stuff like Martin/Hardy. Ivey makes $10.1mm this season. Does Detroit move on before Ivey becomes RFA next summer. Feels more like the kind of flyer a younger team might take. If I were Brooklyn, I'd try to get someone like this and Kuminga.
They don't like Jrue by himself, but really like Jrue plus Pritchard (Pritchard being the 'pay' owed to Dallas for taking Jrue rather than picks). You have to get to $40mm outgoing, which isn't easy w/o two of Gafford, PJ and Klay. I don't mind Jrue in the right deal and I don't mind being paid in player assets rather than draft assets. I think I'd rather the add-on with Jrue be taller than 6'1". Talked some about the benefit of Jrue, Kyrie and AD all becoming FA in three years and the reset you could do around Flagg and Lively.
The also proposed Gafford/Max Christie for Lonzo and Coby White. They pointed out that White will be UFA next summer and unlikely to extend this summer. That makes him less valuable as a trade piece for Chicago and more risky to hold onto. I like Max Christie and would rather give up someone else, but if you have Irving, Klay and White as your eventual 1/2 rotation, where does Max play? The three is also very crowded if you still have Flagg, PJ, Marshall and Martin. Does Chicago really want Gafford back? Does he want to sign there? How about Christie, Martin and Hardy. One thing I like about any Ball deal is the TO. Much of the money you would need to keep White in 2026 could come from not retaining Lonzo.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - Winter - 05-30-2025
Thanks for throwing this out.
Personally, the Jrue-Prtichard scenario would be fine with me. I don't mind Pritchard at all. He may be a hair over 6 feet, but he's a defensive pest and shoots 40% on 3s. I'd probably send Gafford and Klay in that trade. I'm not sure how I feel about the Gafford/PJ option. I would hate giving up PJ, but I see where it might make more sense in regards to the rotation.
The Chicago trade scenario is also good with me. Your Christie, Martin, Hardy is a nice alternative, but I doubt Chicago takes that. I'd be thrilled if they did.
The Bogdanovich and Ivey trade I'm not so keen on. Neither have enough PG in them for me.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - cow - 05-30-2025
(05-30-2025, 04:04 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Is there anything another team could offer to make you even pause for a second and think about trading Cooper Flagg?
A: Charlotte gives #4, Ball and Dallas's 2027 back? They said no, they wouldn't do it if they were Dallas, but it would at least get them to answer the phone.
I guess that's interesting, and it really depends on what you think of Flagg's upside, what will be available at #4, and what everyone thinks of Ball. I think the unknowns of Flagg's upside are far more tantalizing than what we know about Ball. As talented as he is, I'm ready for our next cornerstone to be a two way player and how much easier that makes building a team around him. And if you loved someone at #4, I think you could get #3 from the 76ers by taking back PG13 without giving up Flagg, but you'd have to send out AD which isn't likely to happen.
And speaking of taking back bad contracts, the only other interesting trade idea from those options is Jrue, but I'd want more than just Pritchard for taking on 3 years and 100M+.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - Chicagojk - 05-30-2025
The more I think about it the more I am scared of any big trades. The mavs have so many unknowns. Maybe it is best to get your answers while seeing them on the court. Can you sign Chris Paul and then trade for Lonzo (Hardy and Omax??). Keep Brandon Williams and see if you can patch together acceptable guard play for the first three months. Maybe you get your answers and then make moves you know fit the roster. Maybe you find out the roster is closer than we think. Or maybe we find out it is not close to a contender. Tough to make any decisions with so many unknowns.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - KillerLeft - 05-30-2025
(05-30-2025, 01:09 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: It certainly changes the perceived worth of a late FRP. And Gafford/PJ are worth WAY WAY more than any of those. Even multiple. I'd wager Gafford could probably fetch a top 12 pick truthfully.
I agree with your assessment of the players' worth relative to late 1sts TO THE MAVS. I think you're probably right about the league in general valuing those picks less, too, if this trend continues.
This is why any roster building idea for this summer that doesn't intend for the team to be BETTER as a result is bonkers. The picks the Mavs would need to add real talent over the next 5-6 years would all be going to different teams (or most of them) and the future picks they'd get for guys like Gafford, PJW and even AD are likely to be very underwhelming when those drafts arrive.
I'm all for making trades, but they need to be about making this year's team better, and HOPEFULLY better positioned moving forward into future seasons.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - F Gump - 05-30-2025
(05-30-2025, 07:13 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: The more I think about it the more I am scared of any big trades. The mavs have so many unknowns. Maybe it is best to get your answers while seeing them on the court. Can you sign Chris Paul and then trade for Lonzo (Hardy and Omax??). Keep Brandon Williams and see if you can patch together acceptable guard play for the first three months. Maybe you get your answers and then make moves you know fit the roster. Maybe you find out the roster is closer than we think. Or maybe we find out it is not close to a contender. Tough to make any decisions with so many unknowns.
All of that makes sense to me, but the trade for Lonzo that opens room to have a TxpMLE needs Martin plus at least 1 of Hardy or Powell (and I'd prefer we send all 3).
I too have high hopes for B Williams being part of the solution until Kyrie returns, and maybe longer. IMO he played way better than anyone expected, and was actually a plus.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - ACMFFL - 05-30-2025
Mavs shouldn't even entertain the idea of trading Flagg, no matter what the other 29 teams have to offer.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - Winter - 05-30-2025
(05-30-2025, 07:13 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: The more I think about it the more I am scared of any big trades. The mavs have so many unknowns. Maybe it is best to get your answers while seeing them on the court. Can you sign Chris Paul and then trade for Lonzo (Hardy and Omax??). Keep Brandon Williams and see if you can patch together acceptable guard play for the first three months. Maybe you get your answers and then make moves you know fit the roster. Maybe you find out the roster is closer than we think. Or maybe we find out it is not close to a contender. Tough to make any decisions with so many unknowns.
We are sort of forced to imagine what the GM and owners are thinking now that CF has arrived.
In my opinion, the scenario you outline is fine. However, I think we've changed our timeline in that scenario. Cooper Flagg should not be expected to take us to the finals next year. The timeline will be slower than what Nico originally outlined in his 3-year window press conference. Having said that, Nico was full of crap at that press conference, and nothing he said then should actually be taken to heart.
But here's my point. If Nico pulls a big trade for Jrue, I think we can believe he's really sticking with the "win now" concept. He's throwing in all his chips. That's a big play. If he goes your route, however, then Cooper Flagg has changed his thinking and maybe stretched out that window.
I would root for the team either way. I think Flagg is going to fun to watch no matter what. Your scenario is probably the smarter play, but our Front Office can't be expected to be smart.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - GATA - 05-31-2025
Trade Irving. Signing a tiny, old guard with not one, but two ACLs is moronic
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - DL2RimRocker - 05-31-2025
(05-30-2025, 06:39 PM)cow Wrote: I guess that's interesting, and it really depends on what you think of Flagg's upside, what will be available at #4, and what everyone thinks of Ball. I think the unknowns of Flagg's upside are far more tantalizing than what we know about Ball. As talented as he is, I'm ready for our next cornerstone to be a two way player and how much easier that makes building a team around him. And if you loved someone at #4, I think you could get #3 from the 76ers by taking back PG13 without giving up Flagg, but you'd have to send out AD which isn't likely to happen.
And speaking of taking back bad contracts, the only other interesting trade idea from those options is Jrue, but I'd want more than just Pritchard for taking on 3 years and 100M+.
I might be alone here, but I consider AD's contract a bad one considering his age and injury history and the ridiculous amount.
Perhaps someone can convince me it's not, but I think if Philly offered PG/#3/#35 for AD Mavs should consider it.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - FireNicoHarrison - 05-31-2025
Davis IS a bad contract, he is paid as Batman but he is just an old and injuried Robin.
LeBron and Lakers were agree to not resign him.
Nico can't survive at that press conference, Dallas has to be competitive next year at any cost.
If not he will be fired 100%.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - DallasMaverick - 05-31-2025
(05-30-2025, 08:02 PM)ACMFFL Wrote: Mavs shouldn't even entertain the idea of trading Flagg, no matter what the other 29 teams have to offer.
Hmm.
So, if OKC calls and wants to trade us SGA for Klay, Martin, Powell and the first pick, we say no?
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - DanSchwartzgan - 05-31-2025
(05-30-2025, 04:51 PM)Winter Wrote: Thanks for throwing this out.
Personally, the Jrue-Prtichard scenario would be fine with me. I don't mind Pritchard at all. He may be a hair over 6 feet, but he's a defensive pest and shoots 40% on 3s.
The Chicago trade scenario is also good with me. Your Christie, Martin, Hardy is a nice alternative, but I doubt Chicago takes that. I'd be thrilled if they did.
A lot of what we talk about is a single player solution and they all tend to leave me wanting in some way. Even in Free Agency, the best options to me require a couple of guys. I think what I liked about the Chicago idea is it covers our needs. Ball is TO the next year. So, he's a temp filling a temporary need unless he just happens to blow us away. He can defend and run the offense. But outside of the fast break, he doesn't create for himself. He's a good stopgap, if he can stay healthy, while Kyrie is out.
White is the the offensive creator that we need with the ability to play on or off the ball. He's got more size than a lot of the alternatives to play alongside Kyrie at 6'5". I'd love for our playoff backcourt rotation to be Kyrie, White and Christie, but I'm not sure what we'd do with Klay (who I think the team values more than I do). I'm OK with giving up Gafford. I suspect his minutes in Dallas would be hurt as rotations narrow in the playoffs and frontcourt minutes would be dominated by Flagg, AD, PJ and Lively. White would be much more of a playoff contributor.
One nice thing about the Bulls is you can throw some salary their way. One bad thing about the Bulls is Gafford has been there before. Will he extend there? If Gafford goes, I'd rather keep Christie and fill out the deal with Martin or Hardy/OMax. I'm not sure White is worth Gafford and Christie (even if he fits our needs better). I think Chicago would be smart to try to get something for Vuc if they did this (or Gafford goes to a third team and Chicago gets the trade return from them and then drafts their future center at #12). It is hard to know what the heck Chicago wants to be when they grow up. Outside of Giddey and Williams (and anyone they get via trade or draft), their whole team expires next summer. So, keeping themselves in position for 2026 Free Agency is probably a priority.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - Chicagojk - 05-31-2025
Lonzo from a few years ago prior to a serious injury, but some nice comments about his game. He is one of my favorite non stars players to watch. Not sure he has that still but not going to lie, I went back and watched that year bulls highlights.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/s/KN0rzraCqW
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - HoosierDaddyKid - 05-31-2025
(05-31-2025, 07:44 AM)DallasMaverick Wrote: Hmm.
So, if OKC calls and wants to trade us SGA for Klay, Martin, Powell and the first pick, we say no?
That's about a hypothetical trade as you can get. Did you see what the Thunder got for SGA the first time? LOL He's ridiculously better now.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - Mavs32 - 05-31-2025
I like the idea of CP3 or Lonzo better but if you like Colin Sexton, this seems like a fair deal that all teams would consider
Mavs get Sexton
Lakers get Gafford
Jazz get Kleiber, Hardy, Knecht & lakers 2026 1st
Mavs get their guard that can start until Kyrie gets back and then easily slides to a 6th man role.
Lakers get their big for basically the price they were prepared to give up for Mark Williams. I can't see them getting a better center for less.
Jazz get smaller contracts that are not long or easily moveable while getting more draft capital. who knows what the Jazz want but maybe they offer Markenan to SA for the #2 pick.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - DanSchwartzgan - 05-31-2025
(05-31-2025, 08:13 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: Lonzo from a few years ago prior to a serious injury, but some nice comments about his game. He is one of my favorite non stars players to watch. Not sure he has that still but not going to lie, I went back and watched that year bulls highlights.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/s/KN0rzraCqW
Lively-Gafford
AD-PJ
Flagg-PJ
Klay-Christie
Irving-Lonzo
Or
Lively-AD
AD-PJ
Flagg-PJ
White-Klay
Irving-Lonzo
?
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - ACMFFL - 05-31-2025
(05-31-2025, 07:44 AM)DallasMaverick Wrote: Hmm.
So, if OKC calls and wants to trade us SGA for Klay, Martin, Powell and the first pick, we say no?
I see what you did there
and the answer is still no, I wouldn't trade my lord Powell for anyone xDAnd jokes aside, yeah when I said that Flagg has to be untouchable, I was referring in particular to Giannis, imho the only superstar worth #1 who might be available this summer. And as crazy as it sounds I would not trade Flagg+depth for Giannis at all.
Just to match his contract Mavs have to trade half of their rotation, I dont think it's worth the candle at all especially in this new CBA era, considering also the fact that Mavs owe all of their picks from 2027 to 2030 I think they are not in the position to trade away Flagg and bet everything on an aging and fragile big3.
They better off trying to compete with Flagg and his cost controlled contract than moving him in a fancy blockbuster trade that would destroy all of their depth and future.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - Chicagojk - 05-31-2025
(05-31-2025, 08:39 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Lively-Gafford
AD-PJ
Flagg-PJ
Klay-Christie
Irving-Lonzo
Or
Lively-AD
AD-PJ
Flagg-PJ
White-Klay
Irving-Lonzo
?
Not ideal, but 1. Only because I think Chicago can’t be honest with their team. They had a nice finish and some decent news in awhile. I doubt they are proactive and look to move White early rather than late. I expect they resign Giddey, keep White and add another youngster. If they surprise they probably try to resign White next offseason. More likely he is moved at the deadline or they lose him for nothing. I don’t expect they have real interest in moving him now unless they get sn outrageous offer.
I would like White but you have to ask what is he? I think he is much more a scoring guard than a creator. Would he want to come off the bench? Could you start a backcourt of him and Kyrie? I think White is a killer but they fit longterm is a little tricky too
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - FireNicoHarrison - 05-31-2025
Yes to CP3 & Lonzo. No to Sexton