(07-14-2022, 11:31 AM)MarkAguirreWrathofGod Wrote: A good thought exercise would be to look at the other players in Brunson’s tier and imagine those franchises letting their players walk for nothing. It’s a subjective list, true, and each situation is discrete with different extenuating circumstances, but Simmons/Russillo have Mikhael Bridges and Wiggins right in front of JB. To think of those guys walking with no compensation is absolutely absurd. Or even the players behind Brunson. That’s the level of Cuban fuckery we are dealing with. We lowballed our very well-liked, respected, homegrown, second best player. Because Cuban is cheap/incompetent/in financial difficulty (or some combination of). It’s hard to overstate what a colossal fuck-up it was/is. Not to mention missing on Bane possibly in part because of a disfunctional draft war room wherein our GM reportedly walked out of the room during the draft(!)

(07-14-2022, 08:30 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: Oh, for sure. This is probably the deepest the NBA has been in my lifetime when it comes to cores you can talk yourself into being scared of. There are really only 1-2 bad teams, on paper. 

The biggest threats to leapfrog Dallas, imo, are Denver, New Orleans and the Clippers.

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They valued him over Ayton, because Simmons said (and Rusilo agreed): "I'd rather have Brunson at $25 million than Ayton on a MAX." 

I honestly can't believe there are people here who think Brunson got overpaid. When you look at the declining contract and think about how much the cap is going to go up...it's going to be a bargain, imo.

(07-14-2022, 12:45 PM)DallasMaverick Wrote: Ayton?

(07-14-2022, 08:30 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: Oh, for sure. This is probably the deepest the NBA has been in my lifetime when it comes to cores you can talk yourself into being scared of. There are really only 1-2 bad teams, on paper. 

The biggest threats to leapfrog Dallas, imo, are Denver, New Orleans and the Clippers.

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They valued him over Ayton, because Simmons said (and Rusilo agreed): "I'd rather have Brunson at $25 million than Ayton on a MAX." 

I honestly can't believe there are people here who think Brunson got overpaid. When you look at the declining contract and think about how much the cap is going to go up...it's going to be a bargain, imo.

(07-14-2022, 01:30 PM)HoosierDaddyKid Wrote: How could you leave out the champs and Memphis? 

(07-14-2022, 02:04 PM)Tyler Wrote: Turner?

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1547656439832801282

(07-14-2022, 02:04 PM)Tyler Wrote: Turner?

(07-14-2022, 02:07 PM)omahen Wrote: Will be very interesting to see. I don't believe Phoenix will let him walk for nothing. Many options:
1. Phoenix let him walk
2. Phoenix matches
3. Phoenix and Indy do a SnT
4. Phoenix and Indy expand the deal with more teams (Durant)

(07-14-2022, 02:06 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: This is huge, and I'm not sure I can see all the permutations of how this plays out. My gut reaction is that this isn't what PHX was hoping would happen, even though they didn't want him.

(07-14-2022, 02:08 PM)Tyler Wrote: FYI -- all S&T deals are off the table with an offer sheet. The only options are 1 and 2.

(07-14-2022, 02:37 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: See the Ayton thread - no sheet signed yet. It's posturing to force an SnT.

(07-14-2022, 02:54 PM)Smitty Wrote: With the Ayton news... I fully expect the Suns to match, effectively taking them out of the Durant sweepstakes... Which leads me to believe the Raptors are the only ones with the ammo to pull it off, should BKN trade him.

Ayton - PHX
Durant - TOR
Mitchell - BKN/NYK
Kyrie - LAL
Simmons - DAL?

(07-14-2022, 12:56 PM)Not an evil robot Wrote: Non-expert here, but I don’t think that list makes me feel any kind of way re: Brunson’s contract. Some of those equivalent names could be overpays at $25M AAV. Think someone pointed out that contract puts him around #40 in the league and that’s 20-30 spots high in my opinion. Still disappointed Mavs didn’t re-sign Brunson because although I think he’s not valuable enough to live up to that contract with the Mavs on the court (primarily based on fit), he was that valuable as a signed asset to swap for a few picks at the next opportunity.

In other words, I understand the Mavs thinking that contract is too rich but they should’ve offered the money when the alternative is nothing.

Sure, that contract looks better if/when the cap goes up but relying on a rising tide to lift a particular boat isn’t great financial management (especially since we’ve overpaid in recent history and the tax amplifies those mistakes). But again, something is better than nothing after they voluntarily backed themselves in a corner. In retrospect, they should have aggressively shopped him at the start of the season, extended much earlier, or ensured he was an RFA so they at least get a SNT out of his departure.

(07-14-2022, 03:58 PM)mvossman Wrote: I think you have to be a little careful about comparing contracts.  Some of those contracts were signed a couple of years ago and contracts signed now are going to be higher due to cap increase.  Also some of those contracts may be RFA which depress the price (unless your Ayton).  He might be a little overpaid but young top 60-70 players that are a little overpaid are still assets.