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RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: Free Agency Starts 5pm CST/6pm EST - Chicagojk - 12-10-2025
I think the Mavs should be patient and not rush any deal. Although in reality the NOP pick and Jalen Johnson are just off limits. No need to even dream of either in any AD trade. Heck, they may not even offer it for Giannis. That pick is a home run lottery ticket at the moment. AD isn't getting clsoe to sniffing it.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: Free Agency Starts 5pm CST/6pm EST - Scott41theMavs - 12-10-2025
(12-10-2025, 01:05 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: I think the Mavs should be patient and not rush any deal. Although in reality the NOP pick and Jalen Johnson are just off limits. No need to even dream of either in any AD trade. Heck, they may not even offer it for Giannis. That pick is a home run lottery ticket at the moment. AD isn't getting clsoe to sniffing it.
They shouldn't make any deals until they *have a GM*.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: Free Agency Starts 5pm CST/6pm EST - Jakeospikez - 12-10-2025
Contenders aren't gonna want to trade near term picks, it will pretty much always be delayed future stuff because they want to continue to bolster their title window especially with someone like AD. Should go for future picks + pick swaps years ahead. Rookies in the future will help manage the cap once Flagg is out of his rookie deal anyway. Teams can become really bad quick, or just 1 major injury away. Pacers in the finals last season have Haliburton tear his achilles, lost Turner and are now one of the worst teams in the league.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: Free Agency Starts 5pm CST/6pm EST - GermanMav - 12-10-2025
If they get an offer they somehow like, i'd say trade him tomorrow.
If let's say Detroit has a package they are interested in, I call Atlanta etc tonight and tell them about it. If nobody wants to go above that, pull the trigger. To me, they kind of are in a hurry, because the latest history showed us, it's not an if, but a when AD gets injured again. And that would put all these plans to bed.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: Free Agency Starts 5pm CST/6pm EST - RoyTarpleysGhost - 12-10-2025
It's easy to say online you need to hold out for a great deal for AD. example: We're not trading him to you Atlanta unless you give up that NOLA 1st.
It's not so easy IRL.
1. There's holding your breath every time he goes down, hoping it isn't another significant injury. One more major injury and you're having to sell him like you did Porzingis, for nothing.
2. Shams already reported Klutch is going to want an extension this offseason if AD isn't traded. You don't want to deal with that BS next training camp when AD shows up disgruntled and 30lbs overweight.
3. Just symbolically, I think moving on from this era of Mavs basketball onto the Cooper Flagg era almost requires moving on from AD.
I don't envy Finley and Riccardi. I don't think they're in a position of strength in negotiations. If they can get a good return for AD, I will be very happy/impressed.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: Free Agency Starts 5pm CST/6pm EST - Dirknows - 12-10-2025
(12-10-2025, 02:15 PM)Jakeospikez Wrote: Contenders aren't gonna want to trade near term picks, it will pretty much always be delayed future stuff because they want to continue to bolster their title window especially with someone like AD. Should go for future picks + pick swaps years ahead. Rookies in the future will help manage the cap once Flagg is out of his rookie deal anyway. Teams can become really bad quick, or just 1 major injury away. Pacers in the finals last season have Haliburton tear his achilles, lost Turner and are now one of the worst teams in the league.
Why wouldn’t a team that’s a contender want to trade their picks in the soonest draft? When they know they will be picking in the 20’s. If they wait for future years they could be giving up a good pick due to the volatile nature of the NBA and injuries.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: Free Agency Starts 5pm CST/6pm EST - michaeltex - 12-10-2025
A factor, not necessarily the main factor, in these trades would be to create a path to getting Nembhard off his 2-way and onto a rookie deal that was extendable without the FA drama we had with Brunson.
My head says find an opportunity to get some near-term draft capital and don't sweat this seasons W-L too much, except as it positions you for a possible lottery pick. But my heart wants to see the guys continue to develop and start piling up wins. Somehow, I don't think we can have both.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: Free Agency Starts 5pm CST/6pm EST - Chicagojk - 12-10-2025
I saw this on Reddit...I have not listened to it yet. I am about two weeks behind on my Mavericks podcasts so I will update you in two weeks
AD's Trade Value is Apparently Very Low According to Stein on DLLS
Rumors
Today on the DLLS stream Mark Stein appeared and threw water on the AD trade deadline rumors. He prefaced by saying in his opinion the Mavs absolutely need to tank the season but he doesn't know if there is a tolerable return for AD out there during the season. He seemed skeptical that there was a "young player + salary filler + picks" type return for him.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: Free Agency Starts 5pm CST/6pm EST - RoyTarpleysGhost - 12-10-2025
depressing
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: Free Agency Starts 5pm CST/6pm EST - F Gump - 12-10-2025
(12-10-2025, 04:12 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: I saw this on Reddit...I have not listened to it yet. I am about two weeks behind on my Mavericks podcasts so I will update you in two weeks
AD's Trade Value is Apparently Very Low According to Stein on DLLS
Rumors
Today on the DLLS stream Mark Stein appeared and threw water on the AD trade deadline rumors. He prefaced by saying in his opinion the Mavs absolutely need to tank the season but he doesn't know if there is a tolerable return for AD out there during the season. He seemed skeptical that there was a "young player + salary filler + picks" type return for him.
~shrug~ If the trade market for AD is weak, you don't trade him. No biggie to say no. He is a top tier player. If you don't get that sort of offer, you don't pull the trigger, it's that's simple. Just wait.
Need (and pressure to win) in 29 other teams changes over and over. The ideas of some that you need to be desperate to trade him for whatever is offered this week or month because the boogeyman is ahead with him -- well, that's the GM-ing approach that gave away Luka to LA in a panic move. Just wait. Some WILL decide they really really need him. We just don't know when.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: Free Agency Starts 5pm CST/6pm EST - RasheedsBigWhiteSpot - 12-10-2025
(12-10-2025, 04:12 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: I saw this on Reddit...I have not listened to it yet. I am about two weeks behind on my Mavericks podcasts so I will update you in two weeks
AD's Trade Value is Apparently Very Low According to Stein on DLLS
Rumors
Today on the DLLS stream Mark Stein appeared and threw water on the AD trade deadline rumors. He prefaced by saying in his opinion the Mavs absolutely need to tank the season but he doesn't know if there is a tolerable return for AD out there during the season. He seemed skeptical that there was a "young player + salary filler + picks" type return for him.
This is just negotiating through the media. Team X, Team Y, etc, who wants AD knows Stein is a mouthpiece to Dallas and the metroplex, leak this to both create anxiety in the MBT and the fan base. Likewise, they want the fans to have a lowered expectation so that, in turn, the MBT doesn't fear the backlash.
I agree with the sentiment that you just hang onto him. If teams are going to view him as an injured player, then keep him. The worst thing that happens is he gets hurt. I view the garage of Quickly and Poertl (ooof, THAT'S one UGLY contract and extention) as waaaaay worse positioning.
*And I've long found Stein to be a major "Debbie Downer", especially the last few years. I'm not saying he needs be a "Sunshine Pumper", but, jeez, man, I keep waiting for him to report that "Cooper's cat has Feline AIDS".
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: Free Agency Starts 5pm CST/6pm EST - khaled1987 - 12-11-2025
(12-10-2025, 10:45 AM)omahen Wrote: Good question. For me a contender is a team with a legit chance to win it all. In my opinion, true contenders are (of course assuming teams are healthy):
Tier 1: OKC in a league of their own. It will be an extremely hard task to beat them in any best of seven series, although some teams could give them trouble
Tier 2:
- Houston. They are good but they need a good PG to be really good
- Denver. They have Jokic but I think they are vulnerable a lot mostly because they are injury prone and have bad defense
- Detroit. They play good defense, but could use some reinforcements on offensive side
- Cleveland. Their team should be good, if they can stay healthy. I think they are much better than their current standing
- NY. They have the pieces, at least in the starting five. Can they put them together when it matters most?
I would have LAL as perhaps borderline Tier 2. Need to see them in more games against top teams. Very match-up dependent team due to their lack of athleticism. I think Atlanta is in tier 4 as they are. I am not sure if swapping (lets say) KP and Risacher for AD puts them two tiers higher. I agree that East looks much weaker than West, but lets not forget Atlanta is currently 9th in that weak East. Getting Davis would perhaps put them in a fight with Detroit, NY and Cleveland to get out of East. Assuming they keep Trae, he would still be a constant target on defense. Close to impossible to hide him against top teams. Johnson and Davis are both injury prone, so it is a big risk that one of them misses the playoffs. If he does, they can't really survive/replace his production.
For me a move for an injury prone guy in his thirties is a move you make if you are:
a) sure he puts you in tier 1 contenders or
b) you keep enough assets if the thing doesn't work out - don't spend top assets for him
I don't think AD fits under a). I certainly don't believe that they would become a surefire team to win the East with AD. Based on how strong OKC is, I would be very careful and rather keep the great assets that can make you good in a couple of years. I would not bet my future against them. AD is a short term move, that gives you a very short window where a lot of things need to go right (and even that might not be enough). Mavs are a prime example of how quickly that plan can fall apart.
I agree with the definition, I don't agree with your application on it though.
Conference makes a hell of a difference if you are aiming for chip, an inferior Eastern conference team can be a contender while a Western one isn't. Once you are in the finals everything could happen. Raptors had no business being an NBA finals winners but KD went down, Pacers were supposed to be anhalitad by OKC but they were in game 7 and maybe an achilles from getting their first ring.
The way I see it, this is closer to the 2018-09 season when Lebron left the East. This time, the best 2 teams in Pacers and Boston has their best players injured, and it is a wide open race. Knicks downgraded their coaching with a serial loser too, the rest are more of ambitious teams with many holes and no track record of winning. It is a wide open race.
This is essentially the perfect scenario for a win now trade, and why many Eastern teams are very interested in AD, he can be the difference for going all the way to the finals.
And then, as I said, for Atlanta even a final will be like a ring, because they never made it there. It will be a historical achievement.
It is also important to remember this, Atlanta package will likely be around KP, filler and picks. They don't give much.
NO pick is their most valuable assets, however it has an expiring date, once you draft a player he isn't an asset based on where he was drafted, but depending on how good he is. And even if he is good, it will be dependent on how fast he can help you to win in this open Eastern conference.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: Free Agency Starts 5pm CST/6pm EST - Chicagojk - 12-11-2025
Not a lot to be excited about. In all honesty a non serious injury is probably the best bet.
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/47262180/anthony-davis-trade-guide-five-deals-mavericks-warriors-spurs-pistons-hawks-raptors
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: Free Agency Starts 5pm CST/6pm EST - Winter - 12-11-2025
(12-11-2025, 08:49 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: Not a lot to be excited about. In all honesty a non serious injury is probably the best bet.
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/47262180/anthony-davis-trade-guide-five-deals-mavericks-warriors-spurs-pistons-hawks-raptors
You're right. Most of those trades fall below what I believe Mavs fans want. Especially with some of the picks (the Detroit proposal doesn't include ANY picks)
However, I think this board has largely over-rated the AD trade opportunities. Personally, I'm no more comfortable waiting than I am trading. Waiting until the summer assumes 1. The market is better 2. AD didn't get injured again 3. His value is relatively "better" than it is now. Maybe that's true, but that just feels like a coin flip to me.
The Atlanta trade they have listed looks the best, but also looks too complicated. At least with that one Gafford is still in play.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: Free Agency Starts 5pm CST/6pm EST - ACMFFL - 12-11-2025
I get that AD value isn't that high around the league, but most of the deals proposed by ESPN are not serious offers and don't make any sense.
I mean, c'mon, how is Davis only 3 freaking second-round picks more valuable than Keldon+Kornet+Barnes? LaVine and just 2 mid 1sts?
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: Free Agency Starts 5pm CST/6pm EST - Dirknows - 12-11-2025
(12-11-2025, 09:07 AM)Winter Wrote: You're right. Most of those trades fall below what I believe Mavs fans want. Especially with some of the picks.
However, I think this board has largely over-rated the AD trade opportunities. Personally, I'm no more comfortable waiting than I am trading. Waiting until the summer assumes 1. The market is better 2. AD didn't get injured again 3. His value is relatively "better" than it is now. Maybe that's true, but that just feels like a coin flip to me.
The Atlanta trade they have listed looks the best, but also looks too complicated. At least with that one Gafford is still in play.
AD’s value will be the highest at the deadline, provided he can stay healthy until that time. The offers proposed right now would be significantly worse than in February, when teams have seen if they are an AD away from making a run.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: Free Agency Starts 5pm CST/6pm EST - omahen - 12-11-2025
(12-11-2025, 03:39 AM)khaled1987 Wrote: I agree with the definition, I don't agree with your application on it though.
Conference makes a hell of a difference if you are aiming for chip, an inferior Eastern conference team can be a contender while a Western one isn't. Once you are in the finals everything could happen. Raptors had no business being an NBA finals winners but KD went down, Pacers were supposed to be anhalitad by OKC but they were in game 7 and maybe an achilles from getting their first ring.
The way I see it, this is closer to the 2018-09 season when Lebron left the East. This time, the best 2 teams in Pacers and Boston has their best players injured, and it is a wide open race. Knicks downgraded their coaching with a serial loser too, the rest are more of ambitious teams with many holes and no track record of winning. It is a wide open race.
This is essentially the perfect scenario for a win now trade, and why many Eastern teams are very interested in AD, he can be the difference for going all the way to the finals.
And then, as I said, for Atlanta even a final will be like a ring, because they never made it there. It will be a historical achievement.
It is also important to remember this, Atlanta package will likely be around KP, filler and picks. They don't give much.
NO pick is their most valuable assets, however it has an expiring date, once you draft a player he isn't an asset based on where he was drafted, but depending on how good he is. And even if he is good, it will be dependent on how fast he can help you to win in this open Eastern conference.
I agree that going with the NO pick is full of uncertanties. But this scenario has imho much higher ceiling, a very reasonable potential to become OKC of the East, since Atlantas young core is locked long-term at very low numbers. Not counting Trae, who is a big decision they need to make. However, I think a trade for Davis has at least as much uncertanties as betting on the NO pick. He is injured a lot. Even if not, he only increases a chance of making it to the finals. I think we simply value situations differently and I can totally accept that Atlanta shares your view. But with the information we have, there is no indication that they actually do.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: Free Agency Starts 5pm CST/6pm EST - mvossman - 12-11-2025
(12-11-2025, 08:49 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: Not a lot to be excited about. In all honesty a non serious injury is probably the best bet.
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/47262180/anthony-davis-trade-guide-five-deals-mavericks-warriors-spurs-pistons-hawks-raptors
Most of these are total crap. The Ringer came out with trade ideas back when AD was still on the shelf that were a lot better than this. Locked on Mavs has made several suggestions that seem realistic and better than this. The only one of these you even remotely consider is the Detroit deal if you like the two kids.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: Free Agency Starts 5pm CST/6pm EST - mvossman - 12-11-2025
(12-11-2025, 09:07 AM)Winter Wrote: You're right. Most of those trades fall below what I believe Mavs fans want. Especially with some of the picks (the Detroit proposal doesn't include ANY picks)
However, I think this board has largely over-rated the AD trade opportunities. Personally, I'm no more comfortable waiting than I am trading. Waiting until the summer assumes 1. The market is better 2. AD didn't get injured again 3. His value is relatively "better" than it is now. Maybe that's true, but that just feels like a coin flip to me.
The Atlanta trade they have listed looks the best, but also looks too complicated. At least with that one Gafford is still in play.
That Atlanta trade is terrible. Lavine probably has negative value with that contract and you are trading AD to reset for the future, so why would you want to trade for another expensive guy in his 30s? And that 26 pick is lottery protected and turns into a 32 second. That trade makes zero sense.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: Free Agency Starts 5pm CST/6pm EST - Mavs2021 - 12-11-2025
(12-11-2025, 08:49 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: Not a lot to be excited about. In all honesty a non serious injury is probably the best bet.
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/47262180/anthony-davis-trade-guide-five-deals-mavericks-warriors-spurs-pistons-hawks-raptors
Written by NBA Insiders.
Makes sense, not even an intern would want to put his name under that garbage.