(12-09-2025, 04:21 PM)Winter Wrote: OMG ... a Morant Trade!

That's all this team needs is more drama.

(12-09-2025, 03:59 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: You suggested Mathurin as part of the compensation in an AD deal. I'm pretty iffy about that, but for Gafford? Count me in, depending on how much more Dallas would have to include.

(12-09-2025, 01:24 PM)Nowitzki Way Wrote: Start adding a few of these trades up for players  and the future could look good here.

Just by looking at the last few pages of this thread:

Trade 1:  Gafford + for Mathurin

Trade 2: AD for KP/Rishasher/pick(s)

Trade 3: Klay for picks/expiring

Add that to a top 10 pick in this 26 draft and you have some young talent around Flagg and Lively.  You still have Kyrie for 2 years or work out an off season trade after he shows he's healthy.l

(12-09-2025, 06:42 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I was thinking something very similar earlier today.

Gafford was signed in a way that he could be easily traded.  I personally think a PnR big would be more highly valued elsewhere.

Rich Paul is already chirping about an extension this summer for AD.  Even if I wanted to keep the band together to make a run this season (which I don't), the thought of an AD extension would scare me.  Off topic, but I'm seeing evidence that past their prime stars aren't getting extended at their full max under the dual apron system like they used to.  I would predict AD's next contract (or extension) won't be anywhere near the max years and money the press so obligingly throws out there.

Finally, you have Thompson.  I don't think we are under any obligation to move him to a contender.  I don't mind it, but we should be compensated.  His off the bench shooting would be valuable in the right situation

The trick, if you send out all three guys, is you've wiped out your center rotation (with Lively likely out) and one of only two reliable three point shooters.  Not that you are going to win a ton of games without these guys, but I want the Mavs to keep playing hard.  I don't think you can make these trades just about draft picks and expiring trash.  That's why I keep coming up with guys like Mathurin, or Risacher/Okongwu (or even Asa Newell as a secondary element...BTW, I think he played HS ball with Flagg) or Ivey/Holland.  

I want to back fill some of the outgoing with players that are young-ish (not necessarily babies) and competent NBA players with upside.  Someone like Okongwu is never going to be a Top-20 NBA player, but he's a plus guy who is young-ish and a decent style fit next to Flagg.  Mathurin and Ivey aren't world beaters.  But I want someone like that as my Klay replacement even if they aren't the direct return in a Klay deal.  Add in the 8th pick and some future compensation as part of these deals and get to work on a rebuild.  I'm also less desperate to bring back PG's.  We still have Kyrie and we still have some decent bench guys.  Work the deals to be a competent team next season with players with upside alongside Flagg and our 26 pick and a somewhat restocked draft board going forward.

There is no point in a complete tear down as we don't benefit from that in draft positioning past this season.  Players like Davis, Gafford and Thompson should bring back players who may be too young to contribute greatly to winning today for their current teams, but could contribute to winning here a few years into the Flagg era.

(12-09-2025, 05:55 PM)Winter Wrote: If Atlanta is a dance partner for AD,  I think I'd much rather find a way to get onyeka okongwu. KP may still need to be in the mix, but that's an expiring contract anyway. Hard to see Atlanta doing this, but that's the price I'd be asking.

(12-09-2025, 07:20 PM)Chicagojk Wrote:   The only question I have is with the new CBA, they will have some huge salaries.  Not sure if that is sustainable.

(12-09-2025, 07:17 PM)Smitty Wrote: Dan suggested this earlier and it makes a lot of sense actually. The Hawks can do a 2 for 1 trade for AD if it’s KP + either Risacher/Okongwu… But I think you’d need to send them Powell to balance their roster, if it’s KP+Okongwu, as they’d have no Centers.

If you’re combing rumors and thinking through team needs, aprons, and tax penalties, the trade machine likes something like this:

DAL: Porzingis (expiring), Okongwu, Mathurin, ‘26 FRP NOP (via ATL)
ATL: Davis, Powell, Huff
IND: Gafford, ‘29 LAL FRP Swap (via DAL)

Atlanta would be $250k below A1
Pacers would be $1.7M below the tax line
Mavs would be out of the tax completely and able to waive Exum and convert Nemby with no financial repercussions.

Kyrie | Nembhard | Williams
Mathurin | Max | DLO | Hardy
Flagg | Klay | Kelly (2Way)
PJW | Naji | Martin
KP | Okongwu | Cisse (2Way)

Lively-Out

(12-09-2025, 04:12 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: I was somehow under the impression Risacher is a point forward, but his 2nd year numbers are kinda ugly. And we do not need another classic forward.

Instead

Hawks

Davis
Powell
Martin
B Williams

Grizzlies

Young

Mavs

Morant
Clarke
Kennard
Hawks 2026 1st round pick
Grizzlies 2026 1st round pick
Magic 2026 1st round pick (via Memphis)

(12-09-2025, 07:20 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: The more I think about it, I think ATL is a real interesting team in this.  I think everyone would prefer Giannis over AD.   Although the cost is significantly higher for Giannis.   For AD they keep the New Orleans pick and Jalen Johnson and can be positioned to win now and also have a bright young nucleus.   The only question I have is with the new CBA, they will have some huge salaries.  Not sure if that is sustainable.

(12-09-2025, 05:53 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Try again...this was actually in response to something you wrote and you have the post immediately after this too:


DanSchwartzgan

In a world where AD stays, would you consider Gafford/Pick for Mathurin.  Indy could certainly draft a center and pay Mathurin next summer, but that would start to get expensive.  Might they instead take the locked in cost for Gafford and draft the BPA with their early lottery pick?

Maybe the Laker's 29 is too much.  Maybe you send that unprotected and take back a protected pick from Indy (2027?).  Bottom line, Mathurin is the kind of player you are describing and there is some thought he might be available.  Could be now or could be S&T in the summer, but we'd have to cut some serious salary between now and then.

(12-10-2025, 03:19 AM)F Gump Wrote: AD to Atl notes

If the Mavs do a deal with ATL, the starting point needs to be the NO pick in 2026.

(12-10-2025, 04:09 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: Mavs: We want the NO Pick.

Hawks: