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RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: Free Agency Starts 5pm CST/6pm EST - Chicagojk - 11-29-2025

What do you think the market is for Marshall?   Mavs need to be opportunistic.   Marshall is a good player and a good player in Dallas.  I just don't trust the shot.  With PJ and Cooper on the wing, I am not certain Marshall is the best fit to pair with them.   He has another year on his contract as a really great number.   I think he could be a sneaky guy to move to a contender.  I wonder what type of offers he would bring?


RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: Free Agency Starts 5pm CST/6pm EST - mvossman - 11-29-2025

(11-29-2025, 09:53 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: What do you think the market is for Marshall?   Mavs need to be opportunistic.   Marshall is a good player and a good player in Dallas.  I just don't trust the shot.  With PJ and Cooper on the wing, I am not certain Marshall is the best fit to pair with them.   He has another year on his contract as a really great number.   I think he could be a sneaky guy to move to a contender.  I wonder what type of offers he would bring?

I like Naji, but if they can get a 26 first, even a late one, you probably need to pull that trigger.


RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: Free Agency Starts 5pm CST/6pm EST - Dirknows - 11-29-2025

(11-29-2025, 11:19 AM)mvossman Wrote: I like Naji, but if they can get a 26 first, even a late one, you probably need to pull that trigger.

I could see a contender offering a first for Naji, so yeah pick in the 20’s.


RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: Free Agency Starts 5pm CST/6pm EST - F Gump - 11-29-2025

Naji for a low 1st? Let's take a closer look.

It's easy to romanticize what a low 1st would bring us, but if MEM came calling, would I trade Naji for OMax? Or would I trade him to CHA for Josh Green? Those are the Mavs recent low 1st rounders.

In fact, I think if you had a low 1st and it somehow became a Naji-caliber player, we would consider it a major win.

So why trade away a very useful player for a CHANCE (but no guarantee) to get a player like that? And based on past history, could very well be way worse?

I think it's a bad idea. I pass.


RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: Free Agency Starts 5pm CST/6pm EST - FireNicoHarrison - 11-29-2025

(11-29-2025, 05:42 PM)F Gump Wrote: Naji for a low 1st? Let's take a closer look.

It's easy to romanticize what a low 1st would bring us, but if MEM came calling, would I trade Naji for OMax? Or would I trade him to CHA for Josh Green? Those are the Mavs recent low 1st rounders. 

In fact, I think if you had a low 1st and it somehow became a Naji-caliber player, we would consider it a major win.

So why trade away a very useful player for a CHANCE (but no guarantee) to get a player like that? And based on past history, could very well be way worse?

I think it's a bad idea. I pass.

Agree.

A low FRP is often trash.


RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: Free Agency Starts 5pm CST/6pm EST - Mavs2021 - 11-29-2025

Pacers leading the Bulls. Was sneakily hoping for Hornets and Pacers wins tonight to increase the negative (Bulls) and positive (Hornets) pressure to make the move for AD. Maybe we actually can get two or three 1sts from from the Bulls. I find this more and more likely to happen. Whats the point for the Bulls to let Vucevic, White and Collins walk for nothing in free agency or keep Williams around.


RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: Free Agency Starts 5pm CST/6pm EST - mvossman - 11-29-2025

(11-29-2025, 05:42 PM)F Gump Wrote: Naji for a low 1st? Let's take a closer look.

It's easy to romanticize what a low 1st would bring us, but if MEM came calling, would I trade Naji for OMax? Or would I trade him to CHA for Josh Green? Those are the Mavs recent low 1st rounders. 

In fact, I think if you had a low 1st and it somehow became a Naji-caliber player, we would consider it a major win.

So why trade away a very useful player for a CHANCE (but no guarantee) to get a player like that? And based on past history, could very well be way worse?

I think it's a bad idea. I pass.

To be fair, it was specifically a low first in the 26 draft, a historically good draft.  That matters.  As for the Josh Green example, Maxey was picked right after him and may folks wanted to pick Bane, two players significantly better than Naji.  I like Naji, but he is about to turn 28, has one year left on his contract and is not a starting quality player.  If I can trade that for a reasonable shot at a cost controlled Maxey or Bane on Flagg's timeline I am going to pull the trigger.  Maybe we will have better luck in the draft if we have a functioning FO instead of letting a gambler make the pick because our GM left the draft room in a hissy fit.


RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: Free Agency Starts 5pm CST/6pm EST - SkenfromLMF - 11-30-2025

The GM left when he was told the gambler was making the pick, just like when the previous GM was told he had no say in the Harris & Podkolzine picks.


RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: Free Agency Starts 5pm CST/6pm EST - DanSchwartzgan - 11-30-2025

(11-29-2025, 08:33 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: Maybe we actually can get two or three 1sts from the Bulls. I find this more and more likely to happen. Whats the point for the Bulls to let Vucevic, White and Collins walk for nothing in free agency or keep Williams around.

I agree that Chicago should use its inventory of expiring contracts to try to do something on the trade market.  BTW, Huerter and Ayo are also expiring.  If I were them, I’d probably keep Vuc as a backup on something like what Boston gave Horford in recent years.  I’d also try to keep White as I think Giddy and White make good sense as an offensive backcourt pairing.  Buzelis would also be a building block.  That still leaves Collins, Huerter and Ayo as expiring contracts this summer.

I’m not in love with this, but I could totally see AD to Chicago, Ayo and picks and enough expiring contracts to Charlotte to get/keep Dallas and Chicago under the tax and Dallas gets Ball and its 2027 pick back (or at least make it lottery protected instead of top 2 protected).  There are a dozen ways to fill in the blanks.  You have to send Charlotte a PG, so either White of Ayo goes there.  Davis fits nicely in a Chicago big rotation with Vuc and Buzelis.  Ball, Kyrie and Max work as a guard rotation.  Since Charlotte is the one giving up a “star” player without getting one back, they get the bulk of the pick equity from Chicago.

It kind of makes sense for everyone if you assume Ball wants out.  I’m aware of Ball’s imperfections.  This is more prediction that something I’m hoping for.  The question with Ball (besides health) would be whether Kyrie could have a positive influence on his professionalism or not.  Ball has always been the best player anywhere he’s been.  If he were the 3rd best player, would he make better choices?  I guess PJ would be a good one to ask as to whether Ball is redeemable or not.  Sadly, I don’t see a ton of great alternatives.  If you are the Dallas brain trust, so you take Ball, control of your pick and control of your finances (you get under the tax), or would you hold onto Davis (and the impact that might have on the tank) and risk his next big injury happening before you can rehab his value?


RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: Free Agency Starts 5pm CST/6pm EST - loki - 11-30-2025

What do we think of an AD to Chicago trade based around Buzelis+unprotected 29 1st? Not sure if the Bulls would/should do this, but I'm feeling increasingly less enthusiastic about moving AD if they can't get at least one promising young player to pair with Flagg. My main concern is that Buzelis also needs to bulk up. Is he really the right long term fit next to CF? Maybe they could bring him off the bench for a year or two in favor of PJ while he develops. 

It wouldn’t be too hard to make a 4 for 4 swap work. I’m assuming they would want to offload Patrick Williams' contract (3 years at $18m per after this season) as part of the salary match. If so I’d also demand the Portland protected 26 1st as compensation.

AD+Russell+Naji+Powell for Buzelis+Williams+Collins+Huerter+picks.

Chicago stays under the tax and could even send one of their many backup guards (DLo, Carter, Ayo, Jones, Terry) to a 3rd team to balance their roster. It would need to be a forward on a similar contract. Maybe to Brooklyn for Highsmith.

Dallas would shed over $13M in salary and would only be about $3.6m over the tax. They could dodge the tax entirely with a trade of Hardy or Klay for a smaller contract.


RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: Free Agency Starts 5pm CST/6pm EST - mvossman - 11-30-2025

(11-30-2025, 01:59 PM)loki Wrote: What do we think of an AD to Chicago trade based around Buzelis+unprotected 29 1st? Not sure if the Bulls would/should do this, but I'm feeling increasingly less enthusiastic about moving AD if they can't get at least one promising young player to pair with Flagg. My main concern is that Buzelis also needs to bulk up. Is he really the right long term fit next to CF? Maybe they could bring him off the bench for a year or two in favor of PJ while he develops. 

It wouldn’t be too hard to make a 4 for 4 swap work. I’m assuming they would want to offload Patrick Williams' contract (3 years at $18m per after this season) as part of the salary match. If so I’d also demand the Portland protected 26 1st as compensation.

AD+Russell+Naji+Powell for Buzelis+Williams+Collins+Huerter+picks.

Chicago stays under the tax and could even send one of their many backup guards (DLo, Carter, Ayo, Jones, Terry) to a 3rd team to balance their roster. It would need to be a forward on a similar contract. Maybe to Brooklyn for Highsmith.

Dallas would shed over $13M in salary and would only be about $3.6m over the tax. They could dodge the tax entirely with a trade of Hardy or Klay for a smaller contract.

From everything I have read, there is no chance Chicago is sending out Buzelis in an AD trade.  The best player you are likely to get from them is Coby White, and that is only because he is expiring and looking for a big contract (and they have already committed to Giddey).

The closest thing I have seen to getting quality young players near Flagg timeline is if Detroit want to go all in:

AD + Klay for Ivey + Harris + Holland + Stewart.


RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: Free Agency Starts 5pm CST/6pm EST - loki - 11-30-2025

(11-30-2025, 02:46 PM)mvossman Wrote: From everything I have read, there is no chance Chicago is sending out Buzelis in an AD trade.  The best player you are likely to get from them is Coby White, and that is only because he is expiring and looking for a big contract (and they have already committed to Giddey).

The closest thing I have seen to getting quality young players near Flagg timeline is if Detroit want to go all in:

AD + Klay for Ivey + Harris + Holland + Stewart.

I've seen that sentiment from their fans. I think there's at least some chance the GM considers it if he values being competitive in the short term more than they do. Coby White would be a non-starter for me unless he's going to a 3rd team for something more interesting. The only thing more embarrassing than the Luka trade would be to follow it up by gift wrapping an All-NBA caliber player for a 6th man.

I could probably be talked into something based around Ivey, although I'm not that high on Holland. I've assumed Detroit wouldn't want AD due to potential spacing issues, but Klay could help with that if he's back on track.


RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: Free Agency Starts 5pm CST/6pm EST - RoyTarpleysGhost - 11-30-2025

All aboard the Lamelo Ball train.

I kinda kid. I don't know if it would work, but at least this team would be far more entertaining to watch. PG that can playmake and throw alley oops to Flagg, Lively, and Gafford.


RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: Free Agency Starts 5pm CST/6pm EST - Mavs2021 - 11-30-2025

Bulls are definitely the team.

Started 6-1, but 3-8 since. Two of the three wins came by a point, so they could easily be 1-10 in their last 11. Got all their picks, got all the expiring contracts to easily match AD´s contract. Home city, big city, don´t tank.

I´m still confident any AD trade you make with the Bulls they end up in the lottery. They might make the play-in, but they are not getting out of it. I actually think Charlotte will catch up with them, too.


RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: Free Agency Starts 5pm CST/6pm EST - Jakeospikez - 11-30-2025

Detroit seems like the most compatible trade partner atm. Logjam at wing, Ivey was hurt and they still did well without him, he has upside that would be good for the Mavs. Ivey is also expiring and RFA next year, so they'll have to do something with him soon anyway. I don't think they're trying to blow up their team so just taking Ivey + Harris + whatever other salary matching is needed, throw in a 3rd team or w/e if necessary, plus their 2026 & 2028 1sts. Can waive Tobias and let him go join another contender. Could go for Holland instead I guess if they prefer that type of player but Ivey makes more sense.

Lamelo is at least worth some consideration. He has the talent to be worth trading for.

Coby White doesn't have the upside of Ivey but if the Mavs really believe he can be the guy to eventually take over for Kyrie then go for it I guess. Would need high quality draft compensation to go along with it though for sure.


RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: Free Agency Starts 5pm CST/6pm EST - Mavs2021 - 11-30-2025

(11-30-2025, 05:28 PM)Jakeospikez Wrote: Detroit seems like the most compatible trade partner atm. Logjam at wing, Ivey was hurt and they still did well without him, he has upside that would be good for the Mavs. Ivey is also expiring and RFA next year, so they'll have to do something with him soon anyway. I don't think they're trying to blow up their team so just taking Ivey + Harris + whatever other salary matching is needed, throw in a 3rd team or w/e if necessary, plus their 2026 & 2028 1sts. Can waive Tobias and let him go join another contender. Could go for Holland instead I guess if they prefer that type of player but Ivey makes more sense.

Lamelo is at least worth some consideration. He has the talent to be worth trading for.

Coby White doesn't have the upside of Ivey but if the Mavs really believe he can be the guy to eventually take over for Kyrie then go for it I guess. Would need high quality draft compensation to go along with it though for sure.

Only Bulls player I want is Essengue. White gets shipped out. All about the picks. Give me 2026 + 2028 unprotected.

Wolves
 
White
Hardy

Celtics
 
Gafford
Conley

Mavs

Simons
Dillingham
Wolves 1st
Celtics 1st

That´s four 1st round picks (in the top 20) for AD + Gafford plus two lottery picks in Essengue and Dillingham. Simons and Vucevic expiring contracts.


RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: Free Agency Starts 5pm CST/6pm EST - RasheedsBigWhiteSpot - 11-30-2025

(11-30-2025, 05:56 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: Only Bulls player I want is Essengue. White gets shipped out. All about the picks. Give me 2026 + 2028 unprotected.

Wolves
 
White
Hardy

Celtics
 
Gafford
Conley

Mavs

Simons
Dillingham
Wolves 1st
Celtics 1st

That´s four 1st round picks (in the top 20) for AD + Gafford plus two lottery picks in Essengue and Dillingham. Simons and Vucevic expiring contracts.

I'm a proponent of spreading out whatever comes back from AD if the parts fit better elsewhere. I hope the Mavs don't get cheap. If there's teams craving expiring contracts like Simons or Vucevic and are willing to give up draft assets for eating another year or two of money...you DO IT!!!

OKC's upcoming dynasty was partially built on doing this. They've got Utah's protected 1st for simply eating a year of Derrick Favors.

Edit: INB4 FGump lectures on this being a different cap era, aprons and other forms of "Is that your bowl of cereal?"


RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: Free Agency Starts 5pm CST/6pm EST - DanSchwartzgan - 12-01-2025

(11-30-2025, 05:26 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: Bulls are definitely the team.

I saw a Chicago-based idea just now that felt both realistic and disappointing.  You get two picks out of the Bulls, but one is for taking on Patrick Williams.  The deal is Collins/Williams/Coby plus two picks for AD and either DLo or Hardy.  Dosunmu in place of White would also work, but it puts Chicago well into the tax and probably requires other tweaks.  

From Chicago's standpoint:

It makes sense to keep Vuc as Davis can play PF next to Vuc or C next to Buzelis.

They don't have any need for Patrick Williams between Davis, Buzelis and long term project Essengue at the four.  BTW, it is amazing how consistently pedestrian Williams per36 stats are from year to year.  He's made basically zero progress in his per minute production since he was a 19 year old rookie.  Starting or off the bench, his per 36 is always about 13/5/2.  He doesn't show up well in BPM, On/Off, PER or VORP.  He's just a guy making a flat $18mm the next two years after this.

Personally, I kind of like Dosunmu over White here, but that makes Chicago a taxpayer, which they rarely do.  I've seen it said they won't pay Giddey and White, so trading White makes sense.  It is all very logical for Chicago.

For Dallas, we are adding two more guys to the frontcourt.  Expiring Collins is supposed to come back from injury any day.  I  probably don't sign him in the summer.  He was once thought of as a stretch 4/5, but there is no stretch there and he's hurt all of the time.  Williams joins the crowded list of forwards and competes with Naji to join the Flagg/PJ/Naji three man rotation at forward.  I think you have to play him some to see what you have and try to rehab some value, but Naji is kind of a fan favorite (and his ball handling has been kind of necessary).

On the Dallas side:  The value is really White and the picks.  I'm not thrilled with taking Williams, but the person who posted this (probably rightly) says you don't get the second pick if the deal is for expiring Huerter instead of Williams.  White starts until Kyrie comes back.  The issue is what happens when Kyrie returns.  I'm not sure you can close games with Kyrie and White.  I think it would be easier to move Dosunmu to the bench and continue closing with Christie.  You also get better D with Dosunmu.  But, if you do that, you probably have to eat a contract.  You could put Exum in the deal and cut DLo (as opposed to putting DLo in the deal and cutting Exum).  Sending the smaller amount lets you change out Dosunmu for White without putting Chicago into the tax.  

Dallas would end up under the first apron in a Collins/Williams/Dosunmu/Picks for AD/Exum deal where we cut DLo.  Financially, next season's $58.4mm for AD turns into $18mm for Williams plus whatever you pay Dosunmu and whatever the extra pick costs.  I'm guessing you save $20mm or so.  Less if the deal is for White, but you probably still drop maybe $10mm or so paying White, Williams and a middle of the pack pick versus paying AD.


RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: Free Agency Starts 5pm CST/6pm EST - Chicagojk - 12-01-2025

The AD thing is so tricky.  I am not sure if there is a right answer.   His market is probably really low now, so he needs to play.   Although, if healthy this team will not be awful.    If you keep him, three years from now when Flagg is 21 what is AD (although he contract would be coming off the books).   

I don't know what I think despite feeling one way for a while.  I guess I am still in not forcing anything.  A healthy AD and Lively at center is probably more enticing for me than moving him for less than ideal return.   I think bringing Lively off the bench is not a hard sell at the moment due to his lack of availability.    For me though, the picture becomes much more clear or murky depending on what level of player they find in the draft next year.


RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: Free Agency Starts 5pm CST/6pm EST - DanSchwartzgan - 12-01-2025

(12-01-2025, 03:05 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I saw a Chicago-based idea just now that felt both realistic and disappointing.  You get two picks out of the Bulls, but one is for taking on Patrick Williams.  The deal is Collins/Williams/Coby plus two picks for AD and either DLo or Hardy.  Dosunmu in place of White would also work, but it puts Chicago well into the tax and probably requires other tweaks.  

My presumption has always been any Chicago deal would be one center (Vuc or Collins), one guard (White or Dosunmu) and one of Huerter or Williams.  Another construct that would add value for Dallas would be Huerter AND Williams.  This does a couple of things for you.  

1.  It allows you to send back more money.  Think of it as the original Collins/Williams/Guard/Picks deal and now you are adding expiring Huerter for Caleb Martin and DLo.

2.  It gives you more expiring money to bring a third team into the mix.  Maybe there is someone out there you can pick up for expiring plus one of the Chicago picks.  

Another idea would be getting Vuc instead of Collins (Williams stays in Chicago) and you can now trade Gafford.  I get that few like the Kuminga for Gafford idea, but adding him to this makes it appear you are getting more value for AD than just some middling future firsts.  One version of this would be:

Bulls get Davis, Exum and a minimum from GSW
Dallas gets Kuminga, Vuc and Dosunmu plus expiring Huerter and Chicago's 2027 pick.
Warriors get Gafford and Caleb Martin plus the protected Portland pick that Chicago has.

No one has to cut anyone.  Chicago stays under the tax by $1.9m, Dallas is under the first apron by $1.6mm and GSW stays under the second apron by $1.4mm.   

Our center rotation still needs work, but is at least functional in the near term with Vuc and Lively.

Forwards are Flagg, Kuminga, PJ and Naji (you trade someone this summer)

Guards are Kyrie, A-yo-D, Max Christie and Klay (for now).

And you are back to having at least one pick in every draft (two in 2029) even if several are tied to swaps with some of the best teams in the league).