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RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - SleepingHero - 05-27-2025
@esidery
The Spurs and Kevin Durant held mutual interest at the trade deadline, which could be explored again this summer, per @ShamsCharania on @PatMcAfeeShow.
Compared to pursuing a trade for Giannis Antetokounmpo, a move for Durant would cost San Antonio significantly less assets.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - FireNicoHarrison - 05-27-2025
(05-27-2025, 11:08 AM)numnuts23 Wrote: Look at this mess of a trade - yikes
https://fadeawayworld.net/nba-trade-rumors/new-blockbuster-5-team-trade-idea-mavericks-add-porter-jr-and-holiday-celtics-shed-salary
Proposed Trade Details
Dallas Mavericks Receive: Michael Porter Jr., Jrue Holiday, Andre Drummond (Sign-and-Trade)
Boston Celtics Receive: Caleb Martin
Philadelphia 76ers Receive: Klay Thompson, P.J. Washington
Denver Nuggets Receive: Kelly Oubre Jr., Daniel Gafford
Brooklyn Nets Receive: Max Christie, Naji Marshall
I guess the idea would be Jrue at PG once Kyrie returns and Kyrie at the 2?
Jrue/Williams
Kyrie
Flagg/MPJ
AD/Omax/Powell
Lively/Drummond
What? The REALLY good Max Christie?
It's a great trade for the Mavs but i don't see other teams dump so many talent for pennies.
However KD is good in every other 29 teams but the Mavs. Please.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - Chicagojk - 05-27-2025
(05-27-2025, 11:08 AM)numnuts23 Wrote: Look at this mess of a trade - yikes
https://fadeawayworld.net/nba-trade-rumors/new-blockbuster-5-team-trade-idea-mavericks-add-porter-jr-and-holiday-celtics-shed-salary
Proposed Trade Details
Dallas Mavericks Receive: Michael Porter Jr., Jrue Holiday, Andre Drummond (Sign-and-Trade)
Boston Celtics Receive: Caleb Martin
Philadelphia 76ers Receive: Klay Thompson, P.J. Washington
Denver Nuggets Receive: Kelly Oubre Jr., Daniel Gafford
Brooklyn Nets Receive: Max Christie, Naji Marshall
I guess the idea would be Jrue at PG once Kyrie returns and Kyrie at the 2?
Jrue/Williams
Kyrie
Flagg/MPJ
AD/Omax/Powell
Lively/Drummond
All it took was a little Stein mention. I went to a Boston fansite on Reddit yesterday and of course it was filled with trade ideas. PJ and Gafford...maybe more for Jrue. There were some sanity, but they were washed away. Of course, you can't really blame them for the trade Nico did in Feb.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - SleepingHero - 05-27-2025
(05-27-2025, 01:22 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: All it took was a little Stein mention. I went to a Boston fansite on Reddit yesterday and of course it was filled with trade ideas. PJ and Gafford...maybe more for Jrue. There were some sanity, but they were washed away. Of course, you can't really blame them for the trade Nico did in Feb.
It’s hilarious because 80+% of these trades are illegal under the rules for a bunch of reasons.
Further the Mavs aren’t trading 6 guys to get 3 back, one of which being a SnT which hardcaps them.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - Ghost of Podkolzin - 05-27-2025
I keep going back to ATL. Is there anyway they'd value AD this highly?
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - F Gump - 05-27-2025
There's no way ATL does that deal -- and of course, because he is who he is, neither would Nico the Idiot. (I think I'll start using his initials NTI going forward, to save time.)
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - DL2RimRocker - 05-27-2025
What about Gaff/Klay for Jrue/#28/#32?
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - RoyTarpleysGhost - 05-27-2025
(05-27-2025, 09:27 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: Let’s pretend Lonzo was fully healthy (which is a stretch but makes the discussion easy)
You don’t see how a 6’6 pass first, defensive minded guard, who thrives getting open looks in transition and can hit 3 as a solution to what the Mavs currently have available at guard? Which is Kyrie and Brandon Williams?
I mean, I get not liking Lonzo due to health concerns, but to write him off on his style of play is an interesting view to say the least.
He can't beat anyone off the dribble or penetrate off pick and roll to create offense for others. He's a good distributor if your primary offensive creator has already created an imbalance on the defense. I actually like his fit here playing next to Kyrie. As a Kyrie replacement, not so much. Brandon Williams and Dinwiddie are probably more dynamic off the dribble than Lonzo Ball at this stage in his career.
As this team is currently constructed, it's gonna be a whole lot of throw the ball to AD in the mid post and hope he turns into Dirk. They desperately need a dynamic guard that can create offense. I'd rather have a worse/one dimensional player like Colin Sexton. I think you guys are SEVERELY underestimating how badly the Mavs are going to be hurting for offense with Kyrie out.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - F Gump - 05-27-2025
(05-27-2025, 06:37 PM)RoyTarpleysGhost Wrote: I'd rather have a worse/one dimensional player like Colin Sexton. I think you guys are SEVERELY underestimating how badly the Mavs are going to be hurting for offense with Kyrie out.
We get it already -- the Mavs badly need better PG's.
You propose Sexton which is less than satisfying. You think we should hold our nose and tolerate Sexton. On its face, I can see some validity to Sexton. Tolerate. Hope.
HOWEVER. Then we come to the deal it would take to get Sexton (who I am not highly enamored of anyhow) and I think there you'd lose me entirely, because of the A2 issues and the salary that has to be sent (probably 22M or more) to match, Then factor in who will be negotiating with NTI (Ainge, Danny) and leveraging the Mavs need to send salary to swindle NTI, 22M or more of talent, Ainge "helping" NTI find a solution (just like NTI's bosom buddy Pelinka did), and I really don't like where such a deal would end up. Scary. Recipe for total disaster.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - myconsumerclub - 05-27-2025
I concur with damn near every word. I personally think that Cooper is a potential all around do everything well type of player with natural point forward skills. He and B Will may be enough to get us past the rehab. Not sure what kind of pace Cooper likes to play at but Luka took a slower approach and that worked for him because he knew what he could do playing at that pace. If Cooper can play a faster pace then why not run it with him and B Will in there simultaneously Just Like Irving and Luka did it. You can always add Exum for a season to see what he does off the bench if nobody takes an offer. Personally I think Chris Paul comes here because he is a fan of Coopers and may want to mentor him some. I would try to add a rookie PG in the draft like Tyrese Proctor or Milos Uzan later in the 2nd round. They both have SG size and hit around 40% on 3's. We need 3 PG's to hold us till Kyrie is back and that with Cooper should give us enough ball handling to at the very least help us feed the bigs and get open guys in position to score. Proctor played at Duke so his familiarity with Cooper is an advantage to help him fit in and get both their games going.
Guys I am happy to trade anyone not named cooper and Lively. I see 10 players in our current rotation worthy core. Lively AD Cooper Klay Irving then B Will Max Naji PJ and Gafford. Do with the remainder what you can to acquire other talent either by trade, minimum vet deals or through scraps in the draft. B Will Hooper and CP3 is enough talent to get us by hook or crook. A good Coach will emphasize the teams strength in designing a better offense and I am sure Kidd can bribe Rick to teach him some cool plays. I know the defense will be first rate its just the offense that needs major tweaking. Maybe some kung fu or karate lessons is what they need to take.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - SleepingHero - 05-27-2025
(05-27-2025, 02:46 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: I keep going back to ATL. Is there anyway they'd value AD this highly?
Its less about what ATL values AD at and more so what Nico, our king, values AD at. And considering the trade he made less than 4 months ago, he values AD as a top 5 player in the league and one he wouldn't move lightly.
So much so that I think any trade built on the idea that the Mavs are even willing to consider moving on from AD is silly. Nico isn't trading him. The embarrassment from that alone would make him step down.
If Nico is fired, then I think AD is fair game.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - SleepingHero - 05-27-2025
(05-27-2025, 06:37 PM)RoyTarpleysGhost Wrote: He can't beat anyone off the dribble or penetrate off pick and roll to create offense for others. He's a good distributor if your primary offensive creator has already created an imbalance on the defense. I actually like his fit here playing next to Kyrie. As a Kyrie replacement, not so much. Brandon Williams and Dinwiddie are probably more dynamic off the dribble than Lonzo Ball at this stage in his career.
As this team is currently constructed, it's gonna be a whole lot of throw the ball to AD in the mid post and hope he turns into Dirk. They desperately need a dynamic guard that can create offense. I'd rather have a worse/one dimensional player like Colin Sexton. I think you guys are SEVERELY underestimating how badly the Mavs are going to be hurting for offense with Kyrie out.
I don't mind Colin Sexton but he costs 8 mil more and Utah probably HATES Nico as a whole.
I mean Danny Ainge must have a vendetta for Nico. He stole their Flagg capture and the lotto odds pushed them to 5th, outside the cream of the crop prospects.
Not only that, but Nico involved Ainge in the Luka trade without his knowledge. The same type of trade Utah would've been LUSTING for given they've stockpiled all their assets for years preparing for such an opportunity.
It just doesn't seem realistic.
If the Mavs could just choose Sexton on a TX-MLE deal, then sure. But I don't see how the Mavs currently could afford to grab him without severely overpaying
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - Winter - 05-27-2025
(05-27-2025, 07:55 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: Its less about what ATL values AD at and more so what Nico, our king, values AD at. And considering the trade he made less than 4 months ago, he values AD as a top 5 player in the league and one he wouldn't move lightly.
So much so that I think any trade built on the idea that the Mavs are even willing to consider moving on from AD is silly. Nico isn't trading him. The embarrassment from that alone would make him step down.
If Nico is fired, then I think AD is fair game.
Yep. dead on. I can be entirely sympathetic about an AD trade, but Nico's tiny scrap of a reputation is tied to whatever success AD can muster in Dallas.
If AD is traded now, then Nico has no credibility anywhere in the league. His reasoning for the trade was an empty lie, and his credentials as an NBA general manager, if he ever had any, would become a farce. The media has cut him some slack so far, but they would almost certainly tear him a new one if AD were traded this season.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - F Gump - 05-27-2025
(05-27-2025, 12:17 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: 1 However I know I’ve said it before but I am a bit more optimistic on this draft than you. Although I get your reasoning. A bad player is dead salary no matter how you cut it. The further you get in any draft the more likely you get a bad player statistically.
2 But even if the Mavs made the trade for another pick, they’d still need to fill Martin’s roster spot.
And this summer that’d most likely be some sort of vet min on their last legs. I’d rather take a swing on a guy in this draft not only cause I value a younger dude than a vet min, but it also helps salary wise if the Mavs are signing a vet <7 years experience.
1 We'll have to agree to disagree on the quantity of quality (higher likelihood of eventually being worth something) players in this draft. Next year is the draft you want. For an objective answer to that question, on draft day we can observe how many late FRPs get moved for relatively cheap in comparison to usual. I think they'll be really easy to get if you want one.
2 I don't think the Mavs have empty roster slots looming. Are you forgetting that if Martin is given away, you're filling that space with a PG? Or are you envisioning someone like Morris being the 15th man with a non-gtd min and idling in a rocking chair?
If it's the latter, there's no way any draft pick assumes that role anyhow.
I personally wonder if they just leave the Cheerleader Slot (15th) empty this year, but we'll see. They certainly did without one after the TDL. Maybe they leave slot 15 open for incentive to 2-way guys, or use it as "tryouts" with NGs/10-days given to a raw PG (and if he fails, another, and another) to be the next BW.
If you're think the scrub pick gives fodder for a PG tryout, the problem is that a pick that low in this draft isn't going to be that ready anyhow. I see much more potential in trying to find the new BW, the crusty youngster of a PG who's been working hard to develop for several years in GL and elsewhere.
Re the comparative minimums, when it comes to Apron math, ALL minimums count the same unless it's a 2nd Rounder rookie (which I see as an absurdity for a roster slot in the Mavs situation).
Just a dollop of planning, and awareness, and tiny differences like that aren't even close to being issues. IMO even with Dumont, it's probably a fireable offense for NTI if he boxes the team in the corner again like he did before, ie if he fails to show any learning on cap-management dangers (and in light of the well-justified derision and PR mockery it created for the organization). Even NTI can only Idiot things up for so long.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - surfpuckmd - 05-28-2025
(05-27-2025, 08:28 PM)Winter Wrote: Yep. dead on. I can be entirely sympathetic about an AD trade, but Nico's tiny scrap of a reputation is tied to whatever success AD can muster in Dallas.
If AD is traded now, then Nico has no credibility anywhere in the league. His reasoning for the trade was an empty lie, and his credentials as an NBA general manager, if he ever had any, would become a farce. The media has cut him some slack so far, but they would almost certainly tear him a new one if AD were traded this season.
If Nico isn't fired, I believe it will be clear evidence that he was given immunity for the Luka to AD deal that gave us the number 1 pick overall.
No GM in the NBA deserves to be fired more than Nico Harrison right now.
The fact he's still here means a lot.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - Jmaciscool - 05-28-2025
(05-27-2025, 06:14 PM)F Gump Wrote: There's no way ATL does that deal -- and of course, because he is who he is, neither would Nico the Idiot. (I think I'll start using his initials NTI going forward, to save time.)
NTI sounds like a medical condition where your team has a burning sensation every time it trades. Definitely fits.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - surfpuckmd - 05-28-2025
I've been off the board for a while and I'm wondering...
Is there any appetite for a development year/rebuild year?
Something that brings us some additional draft equity to develop this coming season with the expectation that we'd probably be in the lottery again in 2026.
My simplest solution would be Anthony Davis to the 76ers i.e for Paul George, the #3 pick and a future first.
We then trade #3 to the Nets i.e for #8, 19 and 36 this season.
We draft Demin or Jakucionis at #8. We let them run the point for the coming season with Brandon Williams as the backup.
We draft some wings with the later picks.
We trade Gafford for some draft capital.
We tell Kyrie we want him to rehab until 26/27.
We get another top 8 or so draft pick next year.
We go into 2026/27 with Kyrie back in the rotation.
Kyrie/Demin or Jakucionis/Brandon Williams
Klay/Draft pick/Max Christie
PG3/Naji/Martin/draft pick
Cooper Flagg/PJW
Lively/PJW/draft pick
3 hall-of-famers raising some great young talent in 26/27. It didn't work out for the Warriors but they didn't have anybody at Cooper Flagg's level. They didn't really have anyone at Derek Lively's level.
The West will be brutal this season and I don't see a path to us finishing top 6 this coming season with someone like Chris Paul or Lonzo Ball as the point guard. I'd rather build through youth and development now that we have been blessed with Cooper Flagg and Derek Lively.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - Mavs2021 - 05-28-2025
(05-27-2025, 06:37 PM)RoyTarpleysGhost Wrote: I think you guys are SEVERELY underestimating how badly the Mavs are going to be hurting for offense with Kyrie out.
Bingo. Plus you have no idea when AND how he returns. You better factor in the inevitable AD injury, when he´s supposed to be the #1 option for a whole regular season. To win that Mavs team would need not one Sexton level guard, but two.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - Knutsen - 05-28-2025
(05-28-2025, 01:00 AM)Jmaciscool Wrote: NTI sounds like a medical condition where your team has a burning sensation every time it trades. Definitely fits.
Is the term „Nidiot“ already trademarked?
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - FireNicoHarrison - 05-28-2025
(05-28-2025, 01:19 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: Bingo. Plus you have no idea when AND how he returns. You better factor in the inevitable AD injury, when he´s supposed to be the #1 option for a whole regular season. To win that Mavs team would need not one Sexton level guard, but two.
Totally agree.
This team without Luka AND Kyrie is an offensive bum.
Even if Flagg is better that we can expect.
Of course, like Gump said, we can't rebuild because we don't have our future picks (great job Nico Harrison) but trade AD for good players in 22/24yo range &picks and NOT resign a injury 33yo Kyrie Irving are the smarter moves right now. Maybe Klay too.
Our core is young, let them play together 2/3 years and see what they will become.
If (a big IF i know) Flagg and D-Liv will be real superstars then with PJ, Christie, Naji, Gafford and new guys acquired from the trades we can try to contending again.
Our window is closed, push hard with AD&Irving is just stupid because we have to trade PJ&Gafford for make work this roster and changes of a ring are very small.
IMHO of course.
Spurs have Fox & Castle, they can't play together.
I'm happy to land one of them and start with a young and talent core the new Mavs era.
Fire Nico will be the first move of course.