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Trade & FA 2025-26: Free Agency Starts 5pm CST/6pm EST - KillerLeft - 05-14-2025
Here you go, RTG!
Opine away!
RE: Trade and FA: 2025-26 - RoyTarpleysGhost - 05-14-2025
Speaking of draft capital, I find myself in rare agreement with Skin about that. What little they CAN trade now I'd have no issues moving with the goal of being good, personally. The only truly potentially valuable piece of draft capital they have is that future Lakers pick, and I'd try to hold onto THAT, but everything else...swaps, draft night deals, etc, between now and the days they can control their destiny again? I say go for it.
Gafford is gone, I think. That sounds like they're thinking ambitiously at that position, so just in terms of salary structure I think Gafford and/or PJW have to be outgoing. Maybe both.
This summer just got way more fun for me. I'm so stoked to not be totally dead inside regarding the Mavs, finally.
Yes, yes, yes.
They have to upgrade PG and they have PJ, Gafford, draft picks, and matching salaries to do it. I am excited about who they might target. Heck, I'd trade for a guy AND sign CP3 if possible.
Honestly I saw all the talk on here the last 72 hours about playing all these guys together and you don't need to make a big addition at PG, and I was thinking am I stupid? what am i missing? Cooper Flagg as a rookie and Dante Exum running the offense? what?
RE: Trade and FA: 2025-26 - KillerLeft - 05-14-2025
Regarding PG, I think a lot of interesting opportunities might pop up in SA, particularly if they DON'T trade #2 for Giannis. Thinking very ambitiously, that is. Pipe-dreaming.
RE: Trade and FA: 2025-26 - Smitty - 05-14-2025
(05-14-2025, 04:00 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Regarding PG, I think a lot of interesting opportunities might pop up in SA, particularly if they DON'T trade #2 for Giannis. Thinking very ambitiously, that is. Pipe-dreaming.
PJW for Castle?
RE: Trade and FA: 2025-26 - RoyTarpleysGhost - 05-14-2025
All the podcasts are discussing whether Castle would even be available in a Giannis package. He's one guy I don't think is available to the Mavs. People seem to love his long term potential.
RE: Trade and FA: 2025-26 - KillerLeft - 05-14-2025
(05-14-2025, 04:02 PM)Smitty Wrote: PJW for Castle?
That's sort of the pipe dream I had in mind, but couldn't bear to type out because it will never happen but if it did I'd be ecstatic, yes.
RE: Trade and FA: 2025-26 - JamesConway912 - 05-14-2025
I just stumbled across the Stein-report about PJ. Trading him would be VERY far down on my list of things to do. He‘s still only 26 years old, a STUD defender, athletic and just gave us 14 ppg while shoting 38% from three. That is a building block to me and someone I would try to keep around for a long time instead of moving on from him. I don‘t see any reason to believe he can not be effective in this role for another 5-7 years. The roster is all over the place in terms of ‚fit’ but there are a plenty of guys I‘d be willing to move on from ahead of him.
My pipe dream is Gafford to the Lakers for the obscene Mark Williams trade package or at least a decent chunk of that. That way you should be able to open up some money for Flagg and get closer to being a player in the FA PG market while also recouping some assets.
I‘d be very interested in CP3 in a scenario like that.
RE: Trade and FA: 2025-26 - KillerLeft - 05-14-2025
(05-14-2025, 06:59 PM)JamesConway912 Wrote: I just stumbled across the Stein-report about PJ. Trading him would be VERY far down on my list of things to do. He‘s still only 26 years old, a STUD defender, athletic and just gave us 14 ppg while shoting 38% from three. That is a building block to me and someone I would try to keep around for a long time instead of moving on from him. I don‘t see any reason to believe he can not be effective in this role for another 5-7 years. The roster is all over the place in terms of ‚fit’ but there are a plenty of guys I‘d be willing to move on from ahead of him.
My pipe dream is Gafford to the Lakers for the obscene Mark Williams trade package or at least a decent chunk of that. That way you should be able to open up some money for Flagg and get closer to being a player in the FA PG market while also recouping some assets.
I‘d be very interested in CP3 in a scenario like that.
I like the way you're thinking!
The only way I'd be into trading PJW is in the unlikely scenario that doing so brings back a quality starter/near all star at PG. Like, the kind of name we're not even daring to put on our radar. Barring that, I'm right there with you.
move to trade thread - vfromlmf - 05-14-2025
OK I'm late to this because I never bothered to watch the Memphis play-in game. Obviously the Mavs were terrible in the first half. Second half was better but whatever. I thought the first half disordered chaos was the story but my goodness Anthony Davis got hurt THREE times in that game. Groin. Back. Calf.
I don't know. AD is a fine player but now that the Mavs have Flagg incoming, who wants off the AD train?
There are reportedly a bunch of teams who will be putting together packages for Giannis, who may or may not even be traded. Any of these ideas interesting:
Orlando Franz Wagner, Jonathan Isaac, Jett Howard, and Orlando’s first-round picks in 2025, 2027, 2029, and 2031, with pick swaps in 2028 and 2030 for AD.
Detroit Jalen Duren, Jaden Ivey, Ron Holland, Tobias Harris, a 2026 first-round pick, a 2028 first-round pick, and a 2031 first-round pick for AD.
Houston: Jalen Green, Alperen Sengun, and first-round picks in 2025 and 2027, plus one of the Suns’ future firsts for AD.
RE: Trade and FA: 2025-26 - Smitty - 05-14-2025
(05-14-2025, 06:59 PM)JamesConway912 Wrote: I just stumbled across the Stein-report about PJ. Trading him would be VERY far down on my list of things to do. He‘s still only 26 years old, a STUD defender, athletic and just gave us 14 ppg while shoting 38% from three. That is a building block to me and someone I would try to keep around for a long time instead of moving on from him. I don‘t see any reason to believe he can not be effective in this role for another 5-7 years. The roster is all over the place in terms of ‚fit’ but there are a plenty of guys I‘d be willing to move on from ahead of him.
My pipe dream is Gafford to the Lakers for the obscene Mark Williams trade package or at least a decent chunk of that. That way you should be able to open up some money for Flagg and get closer to being a player in the FA PG market while also recouping some assets.
I‘d be very interested in CP3 in a scenario like that.
Let’s be friends.
RE: Trade and FA: 2025-26 - Chicagojk - 05-14-2025
(05-14-2025, 06:59 PM)JamesConway912 Wrote: I just stumbled across the Stein-report about PJ. Trading him would be VERY far down on my list of things to do. He‘s still only 26 years old, a STUD defender, athletic and just gave us 14 ppg while shoting 38% from three. That is a building block to me and someone I would try to keep around for a long time instead of moving on from him. I don‘t see any reason to believe he can not be effective in this role for another 5-7 years. The roster is all over the place in terms of ‚fit’ but there are a plenty of guys I‘d be willing to move on from ahead of him.
My pipe dream is Gafford to the Lakers for the obscene Mark Williams trade package or at least a decent chunk of that. That way you should be able to open up some money for Flagg and get closer to being a player in the FA PG market while also recouping some assets.
I‘d be very interested in CP3 in a scenario like that.
That is all true. I think most like PJ but it is a delicate balance if you want to keep him. His best position is being played by our highest paid player (AD). He was a starter for a finals team. I doubt he would be ok not starting. Probably less ok not finishing games (although maybe he would). The Mavs view Lively as a core building block. PJ will also be an upcoming free agent and is probably a 25 million dollar per year player. Maybe more.
I am sure Nico and the Mavs want PJ here. Fit and PJ wants may make that a not an easy task.
RE: Trade and FA: 2025-26 - RasheedsBigWhiteSpot - 05-14-2025
Okay, here's a more nuisanced, NBAish,, money driven deal that addresses everyone's needs:
Mavs receive Jrue Holliday, 2025 #20 from Heat (via GSW), #28 from Celtics and #35 from Celtics (via Wiz)
Heat receive PJ, OMax and Hardy
Celtics receive Duncan Robinson (partially guaranteed contract - only $9mil of $19mil is guaranteed in expiring contract - can be immediately waived) and Naji Marshall
Why for Mavs? They get a primary ballhandler and someone who fits the defensive ideology. Plus, in return for taking on longterm money, they get picks in a deep draft and can either stick and pick or combine them, move up into the lottery and grab another young piece that fits Flagg's timeline.
Why for the Heat? They get a valuable defender, who is a cheaper version of Jeremi Grant.
Why for Celtics? Quite simply, they not only move off of significant, aging longterm money, but they immediately cut over $10mil (plus luxury tax money) from their cap. In addition, they pick up a solid SF in Marshall who can offset the huge void left by Odom. Naji has shown that his game can handle additional minutes.
RE: move to trade thread - LukaMVP - 05-14-2025
Giannis is far more valuable than davis in the market. even if you shop him around you should be happy with half the return for Giannis. not to say davis will not get traded as long as Nico holds office, dude is his man.
RE: Trade and FA: 2025-26 - LukaMVP - 05-14-2025
mavs have so may solid role players i think they can turn several of them into one or two sixth man caliber players and trim their rotation to about 10-man, with 8 of them being our core rotation for playoffs. with the possible expansion in the next few years there's no point keeping so many good players only to feed the new teams via expansion draft.
RE: Trade and FA: 2025-26 - MaxiThreeba - 05-14-2025
Do the Nets want to be a playoff team? Trading PJ and Caleb to them for some combo of Keon, Whitehead and Clowney would get Mavs below the tax I believe and open up full MLE.
No clue if Brooklyn would have interest in PJ as a win now piece. No clue the value of those three guys to the Nets or on the trade market.
My angle here would be to grab a couple of young guys and open up MLE to try and steal Ty Jerome away from cap strapped Cavs.
Edited to add: this kind of looks like I’m trying to dump PJ on second glance. That’s not the case! I do think someone could call the Cavs bluff on Jerome with the situation they’re in but there’s risk to that with his limited track record of this season.
RE: Trade and FA: 2025-26 - SleepingHero - 05-14-2025
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The Hawks are interested in hiring Masai Ujiri, per @TheSteinLine
“The Atlanta Hawks have interest in trying to hire Toronto's Masai Ujiri as their new president of basketball operations, league sources tell The Stein Line. It was not immediately clear, league sources say, what
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - omahen - 05-15-2025
Looks like Hawks want to position themselves for Giannis, as one alternative to Ujiri is current Giannis agent (described in the Stein article). Not sure what they could offer to Milwaukee though. Risacher doesn't exactly scream star potential. Okongwu or Johnson are good, but not that good (and Johnson is injured a lot). Daniels had a huge year, but still he is not a future star to build around but more of a great piece to have on contender. They have #13 and #22 in this draft and most of their picks going forward. Still, the package seems weak.
From Giannis perspective - if Hawks for example trade Risacher and Johnson, is Trae, Giannis, Okongwu, Daniels and some other role players really a championship contending roster?
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - F Gump - 05-15-2025
Would CP3 have interest in a 5.7M TxpMLE deal, or a minimum one-year deal? He's always been about prioritizing the size of the contract, so unless you think he can't do better, he's not a realistic possibility at all for the Mavs, no matter how desirable he might seem.
And if he's signing for cheap, isn't he going to sign with LAL and try to gravy-train on his buddy LBJ? They have been in dire need of PG help.
The Mavs cannot trade for him since he's a FA (with workarounds way too extreme to even consider), and they really don't have spending room to sign him either (again, with workarounds to get in the ballpark way too extreme to even consider) -- in fact, whether they will even have a TxpMLE is iffy.
I think that other than Exum or SD, their solution to a PG will be someone signing for a minimum, or a trade for one who is under contract.
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - omahen - 05-15-2025
I know you are all dying to discuss Lakers, so lets give it a try
I think they are a very interesting team to discuss team building and it will take masterful GM-ing to build a contender. I think it is about being a contender in next five years while trying to be as competitive as possible in the next one. A very difficult task.It starts with Luka. My guess is he will sign a 3 year extension (third year a player option). I think this gives Lakers a two year window to build a contender. Afterwards Luka will be expiring and will imho ask out if the team future is not bright (or walk in three seasons, which is what Lakers probably don't want to see happen). This is very important related to their current second best player. He had a bad season according to his standards, but I expect he will come back determined to prove how much he really is worth.
LeBron will start to decline at some point and I assume he will no longer be a max worthy player anymore. He already showed signs of decline. Luka got all the flak in the playoffs, part of it deservedly, but LeBrons impact was actually far worse both in regular season as well as in the playoffs. Luka net rating in playoffs was +12, LeBron was -21. In the regular season Luka was +12 and LeBron was -5. He has a PO option for next season which is fine. However, what do the Lakers do if he wants to drop that PO and sign another 1+1 max deal? That would effectively lock Lakers into LeBron for two more seasons, basically blocking all realistic long-term team building paths for next season too. Looking long term, the best outcome for Lakers would actually be to trade LeBron, but I don't see this as realistic. Second best option is to let him play this next season (I don't expect any discount) and then he either retires or resigns at a much lower number. Everything else I am affraid will effectively prevent Lakers from building a contender around Luka and has a high chance for them ending without him in a couple of years. A very tough spot for the Lakers, because, can you really say NO to him, if he wants another 1+1 max deal? It will take guts to do that.
Before moving to other players and teambuilding, let me tackle the agent perspective. Assuming Lakers-Mavs deal was really made in quiet, it means two power agents (Rich Paul - Anthony Davis and Bill Duffy - Luka) were screwed big time. Rich Paul ended up fine, as his client is in excellent position after the lottery. Rich Paul - with LeBron slowly closing retirement, how much of his focus will still be on the Lakers? Duffy has a lot to prove. Luka got screwed for big money and I think there is a lot of pressure on him. Luka is a very loyal person, but I could see other power agents seeing an opportunity to convince him they can do better than Duffy. I think he will rarely be more pressured to put his star client into a good position very soon.
We all know about the Lakers center issue, but the big question is actually, who will be the Robin to Luka after LeBron is not capable of being that anymore? You can't build around Luka and LeBron long term, as it will result in a team with Luka, a bunch of role players and no assets in a season or two. This greatly impacts the moves in the offseason. Three options:
- that guy is Reaves. Easiest option, but of course with a lot of question marks
- Lakers currently have max cap space in 2026. Problem is, FA class in that year is very bad. JJJ from Memphis is arguably best player available. If he of course makes it there, as teams rarely let players enter FA nowadays.
- the third one is trading for one in next two seasons. Lakers assets are limited, which is why I think Reaves will only be traded if "a Robin" is coming to Lakers.
Lakers only have one FRP to trade this summer and only one SRP, which is #55 in this draft, so more or less worthless. Situation gets better in 2026, as they have 3 FRP to trade then (2026, 2031 and 2033). 3 FRP and max cap space could be a package for a Robin. Hachimura is likely worth a FRP in a right situation, Knecht has some value. DFS is likely also worth a FRP, but I don't see them trading him, unless they are trading for a star. All in all, very limited resources. They have also Vincent and Kleber expiring deals, which don't have any player value - just salary fillers for a trade to a non-contender.
Lakers are some 5 mil below first apron. Unless they shed some serious money, MLE and SnT are not available for them this summer. However, this could be a path to explore. Dumping someone like Kleber for a pick swap would give them the possibility for a full MLE and SnT. While I think the most realistic way forward for them is being a first apron team for next season, I could see this as an option if the right pieces are available.
The obvious most pressing need in the offseason is the starting center. I think Reaves is off the table for the center. I see three possibilities:
- The Mark Williams package for a good center with high upside that is still on the rookie deal. So 2031 pick, Knecht and pick swaps. Duren, Kessler, Lively and perhaps Clingan fit the description. Unlikely to happen
- second option is offering same package and expirings in a trade for a more established center. Often mentioned Claxton or Poeltl fit the description. Based on all the other team needs and limited assets, I would be reluctant to choose this path.
- stop gap solution that is not worth a FRP for the Lakers, Knecht and pick swap at most. Guys like Ayton, Gafford, Mitchell Robinson, Rob Williams or even Vucevic fit the description. They all have serious warts but are still a center upgrade and would leave Lakers with a lot of flexibility to cover other areas of needs. Somehow, this group seems most likely to me.
- sign a FA for tax MLE as there is simply nothing better available due to all limitations. Lakers can offer starting position and lots of minutes, so someone might take a discount for that if he doesn't get good money elsewhere. Weak options though, as guys like Capella and Looney would be best options. I would understand the move, but it would be considered as extremely underwhelming by media.
- dark horse dream targets would be Turner and JJJ. Turner is a free agent and a lot of handling would be needed to get it done in a SnT, if he would even consider leaving Indy, which I find unlikely. JJJ will be expiring and he might let Memphis know he is not willing to resign with them. JJJ is not a center, but could perhaps hold the position until LeBron leaves and than becomes the full time Robin. He is a guy Lakers would put Reaves on the table for. Dreaming, but who knows - a lot of players want to play for Lakers.
Second highest position of need is a 3-D wing that could guard point of attack. Most likely this will be covered either with tax MLE or in some trade without significant assets. Marcus Smart or Thybulle could be interesting trade targets. Neither is worth a FRP (perhaps there is some center-Thybulle combination with Portland that would be worth the pick). Bruce Brown, Javonte Green or Tate could be interesting FA options.
I am really looking forward which of many of the tough decisions Lakers will take this summer and which will be moved to the next one. They need excellent GM-ing for me to hope see Luka compete for title(s).
RE: Trade & FA 2025-26: - F Gump - 05-15-2025
Lakers suck. Could NOT care less.