12-22-2020, 10:05 AM
(This post was last modified: 12-22-2020, 03:15 PM by dirkfansince1998.)
Are we going to continue with the uneducated troll attempts instead of actually engaging in a meaningful discussion? If that´s the case closing the thread is probably the best option. There are plenty of counter points and stats that could be used to make a case against Gobert. Sadly I haven´t seen a lot of them in this thread.
From what I know about Kamm as a poster he is really high on +/- and lineup data. And using those numbers it is easy to understand why he thinks that Gobert is one of the best players in the league. Personally I think Kamm is closer to the truth than many of us think. I do think that Gobert (not Mitchell) is Utahs best player and I do think that he was by far the best defender in the last 3-5 years.
That said. I already voiced my concerns about his playoff performance. Especially in matchups against perimeter orientated teams like Houston in the last few years. Against a 4-1 or 5-out pick and roll offense most of his strengths aren´t as valuable and to make things worse he couldn´t really take advantage of smaller defenders on the other end. That was one of my biggest concerns when it comes to the KP-Gobert combination. Two bigman that cannot take advantage of mismatches and struggle to score against smaller defenders.
Gobert improved his perimeter defense but against the Nuggets this year he once again really struggled to defend the Murray-Jokic pick and roll and even more important allowed Jokic to have a career best shooting performance from 3-point range.
I would also point out that in the last few years the Jazz did not look a lot worse when Gobert was replaced by Favors. Both playing together always lead to some problems but as the sole big Favors was nearly as good as Gobert.
From what I know about Kamm as a poster he is really high on +/- and lineup data. And using those numbers it is easy to understand why he thinks that Gobert is one of the best players in the league. Personally I think Kamm is closer to the truth than many of us think. I do think that Gobert (not Mitchell) is Utahs best player and I do think that he was by far the best defender in the last 3-5 years.
That said. I already voiced my concerns about his playoff performance. Especially in matchups against perimeter orientated teams like Houston in the last few years. Against a 4-1 or 5-out pick and roll offense most of his strengths aren´t as valuable and to make things worse he couldn´t really take advantage of smaller defenders on the other end. That was one of my biggest concerns when it comes to the KP-Gobert combination. Two bigman that cannot take advantage of mismatches and struggle to score against smaller defenders.
Gobert improved his perimeter defense but against the Nuggets this year he once again really struggled to defend the Murray-Jokic pick and roll and even more important allowed Jokic to have a career best shooting performance from 3-point range.
I would also point out that in the last few years the Jazz did not look a lot worse when Gobert was replaced by Favors. Both playing together always lead to some problems but as the sole big Favors was nearly as good as Gobert.