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EXTENSION: Gobert signs 5yr/$205M w/ UTA | DAL "significant interest" if available
(12-20-2020, 09:49 PM)Kammrath Wrote: Why are y'all SO offended that I have an opinion different than yours that you have to misrepresent MY position to make you feel good about yourself?


We're not offended that you have a different opinion. We aren't attacking you as a person. You're making a claim that is wild by any basic basketball standard. We're attacking your claim. I'm sorry if you felt that I was attacking the man behind the keyboard and not the words on the screen. Truly, I mean that. We're all just basketball fans that are passionate. 

With that said, you are more than entitled to your opinion. But just because you have that opinion doesn't mean it isn't open to scrutiny. When you come with a flaming hot take that Rudy Gobert isn't just a top 15 player, but a top 7 player, it's going to get meme'd. 

There is a reason why 36 year old Lebron's team is still considered favorites to win the title by a wide margin. Hell, 36 year old Lebron just won it all 2 months ago. (Sure there are valid criticisms about the mickey mouse ring but he still won).

I don't know why you want to choose to die on this hill. I liked Rudy Gobert to Dallas, but I'm at least trying to be realistic in what Rudy Gobert actually is. He isn't worth 40+mil. The only reason why he got it is because the Jazz didn't have any other realistic moves that allowed them to get better as a team without paying Gobert that money. Special circumstances and all.

The fact that he is some secret mega superstar worth 42+ million that is being slept on and that only casual fans don't recognize his greatness I feel is malarkey. Rudy isn't leading any team to a title, but that doesn't mean he wouldn't have a big impact on a title contending team. His impact is known. And I see what he brings. And that is precisely why I know for fact he isn't worth this severe overpay that has the potential to blow up in the Jazz faces hard. 80% of this contract is what I feel like Rudy is worth. 160 over 5 would've been a realistic and in fact solid get for the Jazz. It's the extra 45 mil over 5 years (9 mil a year=1 seth curry) that spoils it.
14x All-Star, 12x all-NBA, 1x MVP, 1x Finals MVP, 1 NBA Championship: Dirk Nowitzki, the man, the myth, the legend.
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RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by Mavs2019 - 11-22-2020, 04:04 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by burekemde - 11-22-2020, 04:08 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by Mavs2019 - 11-22-2020, 04:11 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by loki - 11-22-2020, 04:16 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by cow - 11-22-2020, 04:17 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by Kammrath - 11-22-2020, 04:19 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by loki - 11-22-2020, 04:33 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by cow - 11-22-2020, 04:24 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by ClutchDirk - 11-22-2020, 04:25 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by Kammrath - 11-22-2020, 04:28 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by cow - 11-22-2020, 04:57 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by ClutchDirk - 11-22-2020, 05:03 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by Mavs2019 - 11-22-2020, 06:02 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by vfromlmf - 11-22-2020, 04:35 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by loki - 11-22-2020, 05:58 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by Kammrath - 11-22-2020, 04:39 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by KillerLeft - 11-22-2020, 04:48 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by JamesConway - 11-22-2020, 05:40 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by SkenfromLMF - 11-22-2020, 06:28 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by loki - 11-22-2020, 06:51 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by BolsDamols - 11-22-2020, 06:47 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by KillerLeft - 11-22-2020, 07:02 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by loki - 11-22-2020, 07:07 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by KillerLeft - 11-22-2020, 07:11 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by radioaktiv - 11-22-2020, 08:05 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by ItsGoTime - 11-23-2020, 06:37 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by Branduil - 11-23-2020, 06:52 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by Omega_Supreme - 11-23-2020, 11:39 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by cow - 11-23-2020, 11:41 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by ClutchDirk - 11-24-2020, 12:36 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by Kammrath - 11-23-2020, 02:04 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by FunkBoreland - 11-23-2020, 05:27 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by StepBackJay - 11-23-2020, 05:37 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by Jason Terry - 11-23-2020, 10:25 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by Kammrath - 11-23-2020, 10:30 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by Jason Terry - 11-23-2020, 11:12 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by SkenfromLMF - 11-24-2020, 12:55 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by swaggerbox - 11-24-2020, 01:28 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by StepBackJay - 11-24-2020, 09:16 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by Kammrath - 11-25-2020, 12:32 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by StepBackJay - 12-02-2020, 09:37 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by Kammrath - 11-25-2020, 01:42 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by Kammrath - 11-30-2020, 02:19 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by Kammrath - 12-02-2020, 12:23 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by WildArkieBoy75 - 12-02-2020, 12:27 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by WildArkieBoy75 - 12-02-2020, 09:52 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by KillerLeft - 12-02-2020, 09:59 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by StepBackJay - 12-03-2020, 10:39 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by Kammrath - 12-02-2020, 10:01 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by ClutchDirk - 12-02-2020, 11:39 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by WildArkieBoy75 - 12-02-2020, 11:54 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by ClutchDirk - 12-03-2020, 07:17 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by loki - 12-02-2020, 11:57 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by BolsDamols - 12-03-2020, 12:02 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by fifteenth - 12-03-2020, 12:31 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by Mavsfan12 - 12-03-2020, 01:24 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by SkenfromLMF - 12-03-2020, 10:32 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by KillerLeft - 12-03-2020, 12:11 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by SkenfromLMF - 12-03-2020, 04:43 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by KillerLeft - 12-03-2020, 05:18 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by Smirkin Dirk - 12-06-2020, 05:53 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by SkenfromLMF - 12-06-2020, 06:23 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by StepBackJay - 12-06-2020, 08:11 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by FunkBoreland - 12-06-2020, 10:02 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by Kammrath - 12-06-2020, 07:57 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by KillerLeft - 12-06-2020, 11:18 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by ThisIStheYear - 12-06-2020, 09:11 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by StepBackJay - 12-06-2020, 09:31 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by madmavsgirl - 12-06-2020, 12:20 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by KillerLeft - 12-06-2020, 12:24 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by SkenfromLMF - 12-06-2020, 08:03 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by madmavsgirl - 12-06-2020, 08:32 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by ItsGoTime - 12-06-2020, 08:41 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by KillerLeft - 12-06-2020, 08:48 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by ItsGoTime - 12-06-2020, 09:01 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by KillerLeft - 12-06-2020, 10:07 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by ItsGoTime - 12-06-2020, 10:14 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by KillerLeft - 12-06-2020, 10:19 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by SkenfromLMF - 12-06-2020, 10:56 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by ItsGoTime - 12-06-2020, 10:56 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by KillerLeft - 12-06-2020, 11:01 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by khaled1987 - 12-07-2020, 09:50 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by SkenfromLMF - 12-06-2020, 11:12 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by KillerLeft - 12-06-2020, 11:19 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by ItsGoTime - 12-06-2020, 11:39 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by KillerLeft - 12-06-2020, 11:49 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by ItsGoTime - 12-07-2020, 01:16 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by KillerLeft - 12-07-2020, 01:27 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by ItsGoTime - 12-07-2020, 01:39 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by KillerLeft - 12-07-2020, 01:48 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by SleepingHero - 12-07-2020, 01:43 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by ItsGoTime - 12-07-2020, 01:56 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by ItsGoTime - 12-07-2020, 02:02 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by KillerLeft - 12-07-2020, 02:12 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by ItsGoTime - 12-07-2020, 02:45 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by ItsGoTime - 12-07-2020, 03:00 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by KillerLeft - 12-07-2020, 11:21 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by StepBackJay - 12-07-2020, 12:45 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by KillerLeft - 12-07-2020, 12:56 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by Branduil - 12-07-2020, 06:31 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by StepBackJay - 12-07-2020, 07:55 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by Hypermav - 12-07-2020, 07:26 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by StepBackJay - 12-07-2020, 07:44 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by SkenfromLMF - 12-07-2020, 09:10 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by KillerLeft - 12-07-2020, 09:49 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by SkenfromLMF - 12-08-2020, 02:54 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by KillerLeft - 12-08-2020, 09:11 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by SkenfromLMF - 12-08-2020, 11:11 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by KillerLeft - 12-08-2020, 11:29 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by khaled1987 - 12-09-2020, 07:04 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by ClutchDirk - 12-09-2020, 06:38 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by omahen - 12-09-2020, 07:55 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by khaled1987 - 12-09-2020, 10:47 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by Kammrath - 12-09-2020, 08:07 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by embellisher - 12-09-2020, 09:21 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by StepBackJay - 12-09-2020, 10:52 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by Kammrath - 12-09-2020, 11:08 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by StepBackJay - 12-09-2020, 11:40 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by KillerLeft - 12-09-2020, 11:43 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by StepBackJay - 12-09-2020, 11:45 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by KillerLeft - 12-09-2020, 11:54 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by Kammrath - 12-09-2020, 11:57 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by Mavsfan12 - 12-10-2020, 01:01 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by Kammrath - 12-09-2020, 12:00 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by KillerLeft - 12-09-2020, 12:05 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by Kammrath - 12-09-2020, 12:07 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by KillerLeft - 12-09-2020, 12:08 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by Kammrath - 12-09-2020, 12:36 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by KillerLeft - 12-09-2020, 12:38 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by StepBackJay - 12-09-2020, 12:40 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by Kammrath - 12-09-2020, 12:44 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by omahen - 12-09-2020, 12:48 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by StepBackJay - 12-09-2020, 12:54 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by Mavsfan12 - 12-10-2020, 01:08 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by Kammrath - 12-09-2020, 12:58 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by Kammrath - 12-09-2020, 12:59 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by StepBackJay - 12-09-2020, 01:02 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by Kammrath - 12-09-2020, 01:03 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by StepBackJay - 12-09-2020, 01:06 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by StepBackJay - 12-09-2020, 01:11 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by Branduil - 12-10-2020, 05:51 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by StepBackJay - 12-10-2020, 12:59 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by Mavsfan12 - 12-11-2020, 02:53 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by StepBackJay - 12-11-2020, 03:47 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by Mavsfan12 - 12-11-2020, 04:12 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by StepBackJay - 12-11-2020, 06:44 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by Kammrath - 12-11-2020, 08:17 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by StepBackJay - 12-12-2020, 04:41 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by Kammrath - 12-15-2020, 03:40 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by KillerLeft - 12-15-2020, 03:41 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by Kammrath - 12-15-2020, 03:47 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by KillerLeft - 12-15-2020, 03:49 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by Dundalis - 12-15-2020, 06:57 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by ClutchDirk - 12-15-2020, 04:01 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by Mavsfan12 - 12-15-2020, 04:03 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by Mavsfan12 - 12-15-2020, 04:06 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by KillerLeft - 12-15-2020, 06:17 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by DanSchwartzgan - 12-16-2020, 07:46 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by StepBackJay - 12-16-2020, 09:21 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by khaled1987 - 12-15-2020, 07:33 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by cow - 12-15-2020, 07:34 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by StepBackJay - 12-15-2020, 08:14 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by Kammrath - 12-15-2020, 10:01 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by Dundalis - 12-16-2020, 04:50 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by Kammrath - 12-16-2020, 12:59 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by MFFL OLD - 12-16-2020, 01:03 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by Kammrath - 12-16-2020, 01:03 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by Branduil - 12-16-2020, 02:06 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by SleepingHero - 12-16-2020, 03:54 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by Branduil - 12-16-2020, 08:06 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by Kammrath - 12-16-2020, 10:10 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by StepBackJay - 12-16-2020, 11:29 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by Kammrath - 12-16-2020, 10:19 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by Kammrath - 12-16-2020, 10:21 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by Kammrath - 12-16-2020, 10:28 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by Kammrath - 12-16-2020, 11:49 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by StepBackJay - 12-16-2020, 03:08 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by KillerLeft - 12-16-2020, 12:11 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by Kammrath - 12-16-2020, 12:16 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by KillerLeft - 12-16-2020, 12:22 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by StepBackJay - 12-16-2020, 01:33 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by Kammrath - 12-16-2020, 12:47 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by KillerLeft - 12-16-2020, 01:28 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by Kammrath - 12-16-2020, 01:40 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by KillerLeft - 12-16-2020, 01:48 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by Kammrath - 12-16-2020, 01:57 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by KillerLeft - 12-16-2020, 02:21 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by ItsGoTime - 12-16-2020, 02:38 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by KillerLeft - 12-16-2020, 02:42 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by StepBackJay - 12-16-2020, 03:15 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by Kammrath - 12-16-2020, 03:16 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by StepBackJay - 12-16-2020, 03:23 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by Mavsfan12 - 12-16-2020, 11:26 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by omahen - 12-16-2020, 03:16 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by Kammrath - 12-16-2020, 03:18 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by Kammrath - 12-16-2020, 03:33 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by StepBackJay - 12-16-2020, 03:50 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by khaled1987 - 12-16-2020, 03:57 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by Kammrath - 12-16-2020, 03:58 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by StepBackJay - 12-16-2020, 05:24 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by Kammrath - 12-16-2020, 04:01 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by haveitall - 12-16-2020, 04:36 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by Branduil - 12-16-2020, 05:35 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by StepBackJay - 12-16-2020, 05:42 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by Dundalis - 12-16-2020, 10:06 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by Drew - 12-16-2020, 11:24 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by Kammrath - 12-16-2020, 11:44 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by Mavsfan12 - 12-16-2020, 11:53 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by cow - 12-16-2020, 11:56 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by aguiar95 - 12-17-2020, 06:46 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by KillerLeft - 12-17-2020, 09:30 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by StepBackJay - 12-17-2020, 12:43 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by khaled1987 - 12-17-2020, 11:14 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by Kammrath - 12-17-2020, 03:47 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by ClutchDirk - 12-17-2020, 04:07 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by StepBackJay - 12-17-2020, 07:34 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by KillerLeft - 12-17-2020, 07:38 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by ClutchDirk - 12-19-2020, 12:03 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by Branduil - 12-17-2020, 08:15 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by StepBackJay - 12-18-2020, 11:57 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by Kammrath - 12-18-2020, 03:10 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by KillerLeft - 12-18-2020, 03:12 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by Kammrath - 12-18-2020, 03:49 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by StepBackJay - 12-18-2020, 10:13 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by Kammrath - 12-18-2020, 04:59 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by Kammrath - 12-18-2020, 05:44 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by SleepingHero - 12-19-2020, 04:36 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by StepBackJay - 12-19-2020, 09:33 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by omahen - 12-19-2020, 10:50 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by StepBackJay - 12-19-2020, 11:24 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by FunkBoreland - 12-20-2020, 10:01 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by KillerLeft - 12-20-2020, 06:49 PM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by ClutchDirk - 12-20-2020, 10:13 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by Branduil - 12-20-2020, 10:16 AM
RE: The Case for Rudy Gobert - by omahen - 12-20-2020, 10:18 AM
RE: Rudy Gobert has agreed to a 5-year, $205M extension with the Jazz, - by SleepingHero - 12-20-2020, 11:17 PM

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