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EXTENSION: Gobert signs 5yr/$205M w/ UTA | DAL "significant interest" if available
(12-16-2020, 11:49 AM)Kammrath Wrote: I am only resisting misinformation and a refusal to recognize nuance in all this.

RC wants to WIN. That's IT, PERIOD. 

He will play the players he has on his roster in the way he thinks will help the team win. With this current roster, I agree RC seems to want to play KP at both 4 and 5 (and mostly 5 post-DP injury). But if RC had different talent then his thinking would evolve with that so as to give the team the best chance to win.

I don't understand why people have to be so black/white and categorically fixed in their thinking about team building. There is nothing about RC's rotations or way of coaching that shows that he has fixed ideas and notions of "position" that he will never deviate from. In fact he is constantly preaching the need for his players to know multiple positions within his offense and defense. RC sees KP as a basketball player, not as a 4 or 5. 


Look, I have no idea if Donnie or RC or anyone else in the Mavs organization really likes the idea of Gobert on the team. But I know...

1) They LOVE "stars" and Gobert is 100% a star.

2) They have been connected to Gobert by rival GMs about a month and a half ago.

3) They have shown flexibility of style to accommodate their personnel over the years. 


And then for me personally, I love the idea because I LOVE Gobert's talent (and have since before he was drafted as anyone can attest). But I do have some questions about his off court personality. And if the Mavs go another direction I won't lose any sleep. But I do think smart fans should be able to see that a real case can be made for Gobert, regardless of whether it is their personal preference or not.

I don't believe this line of thinking that Rick will just figure it out. He absolutely has ideas on what he wants to do. How many non-shooters do we have on this team? Rick is all about spacing and shooting these days. Does it mean they won't get an occasional non-shooter? Maybe but he definitely has a clear idea what he wants to do.

I am fairly confident that Rick doesn't want to figure out how to make Gobert & KP fit together on the court just bc Gobert is talented. I think he would like to keep KP the 5 and for whatever reason he likes Powell as the starting 4 or like a co-starter with Maxi who will likely close a lot of games.

You can argue ab it all day long and I admire your commitment to this idea but I think you are swimming upstream here in terms of where the NBA is headed (and certainly Rick). I don't see Rick all of a sudden deciding to zig while everyone else is zagging and go with a 2-center-type front court.
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