Trade & FA 2024-25: NYK Shopping Mitchell Robinson?

[TurkishMFFL]

Wiggins has taken off most of his career defensively, and the fact that he stopped trying in Golden State is a huge red flag.  He also can't create for others, which is something we could really use to take the pressure off Luka/Kyrie during the regular season.

Lebron or PG would cost all of our assets.  It would be a two year window all in.  I really hope we don't go down that route.

What it PG13 opts out? He is exactly what this team needs…

[Mavs2021]

What it PG13 opts out? He is exactly what this team needs…

He´d opt out of a 49M contract and then you need Ballmer to play ball and accept an offer of THJ, Kleber and Green, cause nothing else gets you to the salary PG13 would expect. I find such a scenario highly unlikely, when good teams like the Clippers, Sixers or Magic can just offer him that money outright.

[Knutsen]

YUCK! Do not want LeGramps. It isn't going to work, at all. Who's your POA defender?

Do I need to start calling you LeSleepyHero?

If you want to see Lebron playing with Kyrie again, then trade Luka to the Lakers for Lebron... or for AD, and let Lebron join the Mavericks as a free agent.

If you need the POA defender in your starting unit you start DJJ, play LeBron at the four and bring PJ Washington as a Swiss army knife and favorite for sixth man of the year of the bench.

The key is that you won‘t play Kyrie, Luka and LeBron for 30+ minutes together, but stagger them so that two are on the field for most of the time. Keeps all of them including Luka fresh for the playoffs and reduces the risk for injuries. 

Sure LeBron has declined, but give me a list of power forwards that were clearly better than him last season.

[F Gump]

The 2 this summer are PG and Lebron. Both are older. Both have injury issues. But I can see reasons for both wanting to come here. SnT's for both will cost THJ+Maxi+Green just to get the contracts to match. Add in Hardy and maybe even OMax as sweeteners. Is that worth it? I mean we aren't technically touching the core of anyone who played real minutes and contributed to this run. Maxi is the biggest loss. But to add a guy like PG13 or Lebron kind of seems like a no brainer.

A guy if you want to take on risk and revisit is Andrew Wiggins, who is a two-way wing that can score 15-20 a night consistently. Only reason why he won't cost a lot of assets is solely because of GSW cap issues and the fact Wiggins takes nights off. 

Does he fit?

Assuming LAC re-signs Harden, they cannot send out PG via SNT (new rules).

Lebron is a harder issue, and the contract makes a difference. I assume he will be a FA, which means a SNT (if he's not, trading for him is probably a non-starter with him being a 51M contract to match, plus only get him for a year). In a SNT Dallas will have to send more salary than they pay him and also account for how to stay at $178M total payroll or below.

I don't like Wiggins. I don't see him as fitting the description of two-way and top tier. I think he's considerably overpriced for who he actually is. And GS is looking for a trade partner who will reduce their payroll, but Mavs don't have cap space to offer (in fact, they need cap space too).

[DanSchwartzgan]

Those numbers look way off. As has been written already, the Mavs relation to the Apron is $0 room for practical purposes, not $6.2M, and that $0 assumes only a14-man roster.

So any swap has to be dollar neutral or better vs THJ's 16.2, and that includes accounting for any empty roster slots created.

$0 for 24/25

Spotrac has us $6.2mm under the first apron in 23/24 if we did a deal in June.

[Jason Terry]

We lost because Luka and Kyrie were worn out and didn’t have enough to keep going.

Neither players health is guaranteed

3rd scorer would give them a break to 1) play defense 2) last a whole season 3) give us a chance if one of them gets hurt

Sexton or Bruce Brown make sense. So does Avdija and Bojan

[TurkishMFFL]

He´d opt out of a 49M contract and then you need Ballmer to play ball and accept an offer of THJ, Kleber and Green, cause nothing else gets you to the salary PG13 would expect. I find such a scenario highly unlikely, when good teams like the Clippers, Sixers or Magic can just offer him that money outright.

I mean he is 34 now and his opting out means that he wants to “win” more than “earn”. If he becomes a free agent, he would probably do it to pair with better players and that’s why I think Dallas (though very slim chance all these happen) might be his destination. Both parties would benefit from the unison.

[F Gump]

$0 for 24/25

Spotrac has us $6.2mm under the first apron in 23/24 if we did a deal in June.

Yes, but 23-24 numbers don't matter.

Went back to edit this into the prior post while you were replying here --  No matter what the numbers are for 23-24, the numbers that matter are that player(s) coming back need to be dollar-neutral or better for their contracts next year, even if the trade is done in June.

[mvossman]

We lost because Luka and Kyrie were worn out and didn’t have enough to keep going.

Neither players health is guaranteed

3rd scorer would give them a break to 1) play defense 2) last a whole season 3) give us a chance if one of them gets hurt

Sexton or Bruce Brown make sense. So does Avdija and Bojan

That is an eclectic list.  A small offense only guard, a defense minded wing, A young two way forward and an aging offense only forward.

[DanSchwartzgan]

Yes, but 23-24 numbers don't matter.

Went back to edit this into the prior post while you were replying here --  No matter what the numbers are for 23-24, the numbers that matter are that player(s) coming back need to be dollar-neutral or better for their contracts next year, even if the trade is done in June.

Can you expand on this.  I remember there were things that couldn't be done if they happened post the TDL and before the Moratorium.  But, I can't find them in the write-ups on the new CBA.

In the past, if you made a legal trade in June, the salary on the books simply carried over to the new season.  So, if Dallas took on salary in a June trade that put them over the tax or apron the next season (but not 23/24)...not a big deal.  But, from what you are writing (and my vague recollection), it doesn't appear we can take on extra salary in a deal in 23/24 that puts us over the first apron in 24/25.  Thanks in advance.

[SleepingHero]

@MavsFilmRoom
Trajan Langdon was the GM of the Pelicans when they reportedly offered Tim Hardaway Jr. 4 yrs/ $88 million in 2021.

He is now the GM of the Pistons, who had been rumored to have interest in THJ over the years.

Wonder if we finally get the THJ to Detroit deal this summer.

[michaeltex]

Scanned through the UFAs for this summer, skipping any who had POs or TOs, and who kind of fit the DAL timeline ( 30 y/o or less). Some names are new to me (don't follow the league as intently as some here) but several have been brought up in past discusssions. I have no idea about the true availability of some of these or whether any are looking for a change of scenery but just dropping them in the bucket for reference and discussion. Maybe some will be tempted to give it a shot in DAL now that the Mavs have reached "contender" status.

Tyus Jones
Buddy Heild
Gary Trent
Pascal Siakam
Malik Monk
Valanciunas
T Horton-Tucker
Malik Beasley
Miles Bridges
Kelly Oubre
Nic Claxton

[SleepingHero]

@nationmffl

Brian Windhorst on the Dallas Mavericks:

“I think there might be a player out there right know thinking, you know what? … I could fit in there (in Dallas) pretty well.”

(Via @Trysta_Krick)

[HoosierDaddyKid]

@MavsFilmRoom
Trajan Langdon was the GM of the Pelicans when they reportedly offered Tim Hardaway Jr. 4 yrs/ $88 million in 2021.

He is now the GM of the Pistons, who had been rumored to have interest in THJ over the years.

Wonder if we finally get the THJ to Detroit deal this summer.

Geez, I hope not. Detroit needs a lot more than THJ. They almost need another rebuild to rebuild what they've done the last 5 years, lol.

[JamesConway912]

@MavsFilmRoom
Trajan Langdon was the GM of the Pelicans when they reportedly offered Tim Hardaway Jr. 4 yrs/ $88 million in 2021.

He is now the GM of the Pistons, who had been rumored to have interest in THJ over the years.

Wonder if we finally get the THJ to Detroit deal this summer.

THjr for Isaiah Stewart?

We’ve been linked to him a bunch of times over the last months. Dude shot the three well last season, I don’t know much else about him but I could see that eventually turn into the Kleber-replacement. 38% from three on almost 4 attempts per game.

Maybe that’s even your new young starting PF.

The interest in Lively and PJ was also rumored long before the front office actually made the moves to bring them in.

If they like Stewart I’d happily trust them. 

Irving
Doncic
Washington
Stewart
Lively

+ Hardy, Green, Omax, Kleber, Gafford

+ potentially DJJ back

Youd still have plenty of options to bring in a bench scorer.

[michaeltex]

@nationmffl

Brian Windhorst on the Dallas Mavericks:

“I think there might be a player out there right know thinking, you know what? … I could fit in there (in Dallas) pretty well.”

(Via @Trysta_Krick)

That's the type of media exposure that helps DAL become more of a FA destination. Never be LA or NYC, but competitive with most other venues.

What is the general thoughts on Cuban as owner/GM? Did he help or hurt in the last 10 years? I give him credit for reviving an organization that had been down trodden for years and creating new excitement. 

Of course, the arrival of a tall, lanky kid from Wurtzburg helped a little.

[Mavs2021]

That's the type of media exposure that helps DAL become more of a FA destination. Never be LA or NYC, but competitive with most other venues.

What is the general thoughts on Cuban as owner/GM? Did he help or hurt in the last 10 years? I give him credit for reviving an organization that had been down trodden for years and creating new excitement. 

Of course, the arrival of a tall, lanky kid from Wurtzburg helped a little.

Of course it hurt. He was a bum owner/GM with a tempered coach and a shadow GM with the personality of a cactus, and said he´d change streets if he saw a black person. Now context and everything, but let´s be real if Cuban came across a black person on the street it´s probably Axel F in Beverley Hills, coming to a Netflix near you in July.

[Mavs2021]

@nationmffl

Brian Windhorst on the Dallas Mavericks:

“I think there might be a player out there right know thinking, you know what? … I could fit in there (in Dallas) pretty well.”

(Via @Trysta_Krick)

LeBron has spoken. 

Though the Knicks have shown great restraint from doing Knicks things under their new administration I have a hard time seeing Bronny getting past them at #24/#25, and if it is just to acquire Dononvan Mitchell this year and wait for Bron free agency in 2025.

[KillerLeft]

That's the type of media exposure that helps DAL become more of a FA destination. Never be LA or NYC, but competitive with most other venues.

What is the general thoughts on Cuban as owner/GM? Did he help or hurt in the last 10 years? I give him credit for reviving an organization that had been down trodden for years and creating new excitement. 

Of course, the arrival of a tall, lanky kid from Wurtzburg helped a little.

My two cents is this: 

When Cuban bought the team, he did many great things to improve quality of life for his team significantly, and for the visiting team quite a bit, too. Mood lighting, nicer towels, playstations, better catering, one of the first teams to own their own plane, etc, etc, etc. Over the years, the other owners were forced to begrudgingly catch up to those changes, and while Cuban is still being talked about as an innovator within certain DFW circles, the perception of these changes around the league hasn't been quite so postive for some years now, and THIS current generation of players probably takes those kind of amenities so for granted that it wouldn't even register with them that he was the first to offer them, even if they did know that, which I doubt they do. 

Meanwhile, he has become one of the cheaper, and from certain players' perspectives (fair or not), more duplicitous guys running a team. I think the last shred of "players' owner" capital Cuban had flew out of the window when he chose not to allow the 2011 Mavs to defend their title. Chandler and Barea deserved to get paid HERE, because they brought a title HERE. We saw how quickly everyone but Dirk found an exit over the next couple of years. I really think people around the league noticed that. 

Also, and I say this with full respect for what he did for our Mavs during his first decade here, Cuban is a world class douchebag. He has one of the least magnetic personalities on the planet, as anyone who ever tried to stomach even one episode of "the Mark Cuban Show" can attest. 

You think guys like Luka WANT the owner sitting 6 feet away from the bench, shouting things intended to be helpful, but very likely coming off as a clueless fan who they must acknowledge because he pays them? I imagine that's literally the worst part of playing here for most of them. 

But NOW, they have a top 5 player entering his prime, a universally respected NBA icon in Kyrie saying great things about the organization every time a microphone is put in his face, and when you watch the team, you can tell they enjoy playing with one another. And, they're undeniably a GOOD, YOUNG team. Cuban deserves some of the credit for that, sure, but to my thinking, his exit (to whatever extent he actually exits - his seats will probably still be his seats) paves the way for the next phase of this build. My sense is that people really respect Nico Harrison, and the first thing I noticed about him is that he carries himself VERY confidently and respectfully. I'd say that if Dumont is able to do what an owner should and get out the GM's way, this is good news on many fronts, not the least of which is a likely improvement in how the franchise is viewed among the player fraternity. 

And, the BEST part is this: if Harrison sucks, he'll be fired. I'm not advocating for a revolving door at GM or Head Coach - that's how bad teams operate. But, the GM must be someone who CAN be held accountable, and not the damn owner of the franchise. Just ask any Cowboys fan.

[RGP1981]

I will make you guys a deal.

Y'all keep making posts about trading for Lebron... and I will keep responding with a "I'm taking my talents to Salt Lake City!!". Or y'all can cease and desist with that silliness and I will abstain from being silly also.

Trading for Lebron is one of the stupidest things this FO could do. Worse than trading for Grant Williams. I mean, I know this is the Mavs FO and they have done stupid things in the past... so let's not encourage them... and let's hope that Dennis Lindsey is a sensible voice of reason in there... and let's hope all of this for Luka's sake too. The poor guy, how many burdens do y'all want Luka to have carried before he even turns 25?

So, whaddaya say? Shall we call a truce?