Poll: Will the Mavs make a trade before the deadline?
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(12-16-2019, 08:26 AM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: Woj thinks they need a big.


I didn't watch the segment. So "Dallas wants a big" was Woj' opinion, not a rumor? Woj made a name for himself by being the best source for insider info in the league. He needs to stay in his lane. No one cares what Woj thinks. He's not an analyst. People care about what Woj hears.

That said, I have no doubt the Mavs would like a big rough guy. But is that the priority? Is it worth trading leage-best bench pieces for? Is it worth scrambling the starting lineup? What about a dynamic guard? What about a 3D wing? What about a smallball four? I want to Woj sourced rumors that answer these questions ... not another talking head with an opinion.
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(12-16-2019, 08:45 AM)vfromlmf Wrote:
(12-16-2019, 08:26 AM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: Woj thinks they need a big.


I didn't watch the segment. So "Dallas wants a big" was Woj' opinion, not a rumor? Woj made a name for himself by being the best source for insider info in the league. He needs to stay in his lane. No one cares what Woj thinks. He's not an analyst. People care about what Woj hears.

Woj:  "I think whether it is at the TDL or whether it is this summer, I think they would like a big physical presence to put alongside Porzingis, Doncic you know.  And, Andre Drummond...how about a Montrezle Harrell with the Clippers if they can't afford to keep him.  He becomes a Free Agent"

Lowe:  "and will make a lot of money"

Woj:  "He is, and so look at through the years the guys Mark Cuban, they've gone after DeAndre Jordan, Dwight Howard (stammers looking for another name)"

Lowe:  "Well they had Tyson Chandler for awhile.  Clint Capella they've been linked to in trade talks".

Woj:  "Yeah, so that's a position they've had a need and so I think you watch Dallas...they don't have to...they're making long term decisions...they don't have to do that by the TDL.  But they can be opportunistic".

Lowe goes on to talk up Boban, Powell and Maxi a bit (center by committee who aren't "sub-household names" but are playing really well).  He then says the difference between those guys and Drummond probably isn't worth giving up Hardaway who is shooting the lights out.

So...speculation, not rumors.
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(12-16-2019, 01:55 PM)ThunderMav Wrote: https://twitter.com/TheHoopCentral/statu...1944237058

See, now THIS guy, flying under the radar, is someone that intrigued me...but it looks like they are looking to hold on to him to replace Milsap or whatever.

MPJ is only averaging about 8-9 minutes per game, but he did get 15/4 in the one game where he got remotely extended time...20 minutes.

Oh well....
"There are no friends on the court." - Luka Doncic
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"The Mavs need this, no, the Mavs need that..."

This team will not be a genuine contender in any year, now or future, with any of DFS, DP, or THJ in the starting lineup. We need upgrades on all three, not "not this but that." I don't care what order they do it in, or what they address this year and choose to wait on...
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(12-16-2019, 03:08 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: This team will not be a genuine contender in any year, now or future, with any of DFS, DP, or THJ in the starting lineup.


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@"Scott41theMavs" what you say makes some sense but we also need to look at Doncic as a top 5 player in the league with potential to be an all time great. For all that is said of KP I think he does enough things that contribute to winning basketball that he doesn't necessarily need to return to NYK KP to be part of a championship roster imo. I honestly think the Mavs need a stud defensive player to be a real contender. Luka is so good on his own I think Mavs as constituted even have a chance to get past any team in the West in a 7 game series except the Clippers. The caveat with the Lakers is that they have an excellent chance to make a couple more moves to also be virtually unstoppable. This includes trading Kuzma and picking up a buyout guy or two. Those are the only two teams to me that are clearly better in the West. Mavs also have at least one move they could make even if it's a smaller one to get better this year. Next year I think GSW gets back to top 3 status so if really like to see the Mavs make a push this season to get deep into the playoffs. The other thing we benefit from is that the LA teams are both newly formed and their stars are injury prone (save LeBron who is older but not necessarily prone to injury).
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(12-16-2019, 03:23 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: @"Scott41theMavs" what you say makes some sense but we also need to look at Doncic as a top 5 player in the league with potential to be an all time great. For all that is said of KP I think he does enough things that contribute to winning basketball that he doesn't necessarily need to return to NYK KP to be part of a championship roster imo. I honestly think the Mavs need a stud defensive player to be a real contender. Luka is so good on his own I think Mavs as constituted even have a chance to get past any team in the West in a 7 game series except the Clippers. The caveat with the Lakers is that they have an excellent chance to make a couple more moves to also be virtually unstoppable. This includes trading Kuzma and picking up a buyout guy or two. Those are the only two teams to me that are clearly better in the West. Mavs also have at least one move they could make even if it's a smaller one to get better this year. Next year I think GSW gets back to top 3 status so if really like to see the Mavs make a push this season to get deep into the playoffs. The other thing we benefit from is that the LA teams are both newly formed and their stars are injury prone (save LeBron who is older but not necessarily prone to injury).

I think Luka's injury means we aren't going to have homecourt. Two things could happen - he and the team could struggle with execution in his return, losing all the momentum we had going into the Miami game, or the team could grow and gel without him and be ready to wreck shop with him when he's back 100%. But I think that, without first round homecourt, and without upgrades to at least two of THJ, DFS, and DP (which the Mavs probably don't have enough assets to accomplish by the TDL), the Mavs will be a first round out. As fif says, I'd loved to be proved wrong. But that would be a wrong of not having enough faith in Luka's dominance and KP's resurgence rather than not having faith in a crew of 15 good bench players/poor starters.
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Mavs could certainly lose home-court, there are a lot of variables in play here most importantly how long Luka remains sidelined. I think this injury will not affect Mavs ability to make the playoffs. To me more important that getting home-court advantage is avoiding the LA teams in the first round. It certainly lowers our chances should the Mavs get a 7th or 8th seed because of a skid that sets them back. It's really hard to say. This season feels like house money especially with this Luka injury. I still think if he is back in 2-3 weeks that the team will not be completely out of the mix. I also think Mavs will make 1-2 impact moves. I hope that this injury wouldn't scare them off of Iguodala, it's possible it might. They don't have to decide though until the trade deadline which isn't until Feb 6th. If Mavs are still in pretty good shape, health-wise and record-wise I still expect Mavs to "go for it" in terms of adding impact guys, even if they do end up being rental players.

I think @"Scott41theMavs" where you and I differ is that I think the Mavs are one defensive stud or two away from legit contention at least this season bc there isn't a GSW super-team to battle against. LAC is really tough but the Lakers are not perfect. I look at Houston's roster which was primarily Harden, aging but effective CP3, Eric Gordon, Clint Capela and Tucker the last few years. Harden and Luka are very similar and I think Luka is a more well-rounded player. The rest of that roster fit Harden well but it wasn't an all-star roster. By the time CP3 showed up to Houston he was a very solid player but no longer a star. KP is a clear upgrade of Capela. THJ is not that far off from Gordon who himself was not highly thought of when Houston signed him. Tucker was an undervalued defensive specialist. The closest thing we have to that is DFS. The big difference is in Houston you had another guard in CP3 vs here in Dallas you a bigger lineup. Luka by himself is taller than 4 of Houston's starting lineup over the last few years. This year they have Danuel House is adds more size over 6'4 Gordon. I think Powell is the guy that probably needs to get upgraded defensively. If you get a big wing or a big/wing hybrid that gives you much better defense in that starting unit I think you have a contending roster.
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You not look any further than Dallas' previous handling of Dirk's major injury to understand how they will proceed here.
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I think people way overestimate what actual real starting lineups look like on Championship teams. Role players start in the NBA Final Championss all the time.

Javelle McGee started for the Warriors in 2018.
Zaza Pachulia started for the Warriors in 2017.
Richard Jefferson and JR Smith (shoting .356 in the series) started for the 2016 Cavs.
Thiago Splitter and Boris Diaw started for teh 2015 Spurs.
Mario Chalmers started for the Heat.
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(12-17-2019, 09:02 AM)HanspardsShowerVoice Wrote: I think people way overestimate what actual real starting lineups look like on Championship teams.  Role players start in the NBA Final Championss all the time. 

Javelle McGee started for the Warriors in 2018. 
Zaza Pachulia started for the Warriors in 2017.
Richard Jefferson and JR Smith (shoting .356 in the series) started for the 2016 Cavs.
Thiago Splitter and Boris Diaw started for teh 2015 Spurs.
Mario Chalmers started for the Heat.
So, by that list, people aren't wrong in saying we need 2 more starting quality players to be in contention. I'd say we need 3 more to be a dynasty.
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Depends on the era and depends on your stars what you can get away with. If you're trying to beat the 2016 Warriors, you need 4 stars. If the talent is dispersed around the league and you have a great star, you can come within a few awful officials away from winning a Championship with Devin Harris and Eric Dampier in your starting lineup. Bucks are trying to do it with right now Wesley Matthews and Eric Bledsoe (and even Donte Devicinto at times). Right now I'm just trying to get the Mavs to making the playoffs and finishing with a winning record before I start worrying about dynasties. Realistic achievable goals keep you from doing desperate dumb things.
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I am definitely not talking dynasties but I think the Mavs are way closer to a championship contending team (meaning WCF is possible) than any of us thought. We were thinking that the Mavs would challenge for a bottom playoff spot. Mavs have established themselves as a top 4-5 team with a healthy Luka. The Warriors are going to be a major problem next year not to mention that the Lakers and Clippers should find ways to get better. The Rockets are in a weird spot where it's hard for them to improve. The Nuggets could be a move away from being a legitimate contender.

We also benefit from the fact that more stars are in the East which makes the West more open.
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Russell is off the table but I wonder if GSW would take calls regarding Green.
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https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1206979620903497728

The obvious choice could be the Dallas Mavericks (17-8). Luka Doncic has turned them into one of the best teams in the West (although he’ll be sidelined for some time with an ankle injury). Using Courtney Lee as salary ballast along with either draft considerations or one or two of the Mavericks' younger players might entice Memphis.
"Look for Dallas to be active before the trade deadline," an Eastern Conference executive said.
Not only would Iguodala help the Mavericks' 14th-ranked defense, but he’d also serve as a secondary ball-handler to take pressure off Doncic. Plus, acquiring Iguodala would keep him from joining their L.A. rivals.


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