05-09-2023, 07:02 PM
(05-09-2023, 03:43 PM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: I think there is way more hype here than Zion. Zion's hype got built up in one year, people have been talking about Wemby since he was like 16.
It has subsided and not talked about since he entered the league, but I read GOAT predictions with him too. That’s the thing about media hype, they can’t get past the thought that if they don’t one up the last big prediction, then they aren’t saying anything. So no, there is no “more hype here than Zion”.
Is there risk? Sure there is, but there is risk to any athlete you draft, so you should get the most talented one. I don't think Zion is the best comparison because he is notoriously out of shape and not motivated to change that while Wemby is already being very conscious of his body because of the exact narrative that is forming in this thread.
Yes, there is risk to every athlete regardless of where you are acquiring him. Traded and FA signed players have risk. Boston found that out quickly with Hayward. I keep saying this, hopefully it doesn’t continue to fall on deaf ears. Our situation with this team is different than most teams in the league. We are the remnants of the horribly run for over a decade Dallas Mavericks. I’ve said if we were, say, the Charlotte Hornets, my thought process on whether or not to take the risk and pick him might be different. Thing is, we are not the Hornets, we’re still the Dallas Mavs and that risk factor when we already have a young superstar and most likely (esp if we trade the pick to get a great team behind him) an aging one after that, we have…meh or less than meh. Take the pick and keep the meh and be back here when Wemby gets season ending injured on game 21, or trade it and have a deep contender that has us talking about next round’s matchup this time next year cause we have a team that can withstand any 1 injury (maybe even Luka if the value of the pick is as much as some have talked about). Zion’s name was brought into the conversation based on pre-draft hype, I then drew the similarities in what I keep talking about with body type (in the opposite direction) and style of play. You’re taking my words out of context outside of those 2 points.
If you take this approach to drafting then you would pass on Kevin Durant, Giannis, Dwight Howard and the current MVP. I would also say that while there is a possibility of Wemby tearing a knee up and missing a year that it doesn't make him not worth the pick. Blake and Embiid both dealt with injuries early on and have had terrific careers and I also think that it's too early to call Zion a bust.
See above. It’s not every draft that we have 2 superstars and a large turd. However, if that was the case when those guys came out and their value was as high as some here have said it is? I would be winning championships by trading those picks too. Then, while my young superstar is currently winning championships, I would use all the extra draft compensation to keep my young superstar competitive with the newer superstar that I gave up to win championships and since my young championship superstar has already figured out how to reach the pinnacle, the newer, turns out injury prone non-championship player continues to get schooled by my young championship superstar. Championship (just 1 more time for good measure).
I just don't think you realize that you're presenting a lot of anecdotal evidence about big man injuries. There's plenty of examples that you can pull out for smaller in shape players who's bodies just don't hold up because that's what sports can do to anyone. Brandon Roy, Kawhi, IT.
It's also not like Wemby has dealt with any major injuries yet, the only one of concern was a stress fracture in his fibula that he came back from in 4 months and has looked great since. Other time he's missed has had nothing to do with his size.
I don’t know what to say to you guys that just keep talking about 1 or 2 parts to the 3 part theory. If you’re not going to read the full thoughts, then don’t respond. If you have a question about what you’re reading, ask for clarification. I went through the last 6 drafts looking for guys with height and weight that made them similar build to Wemby (Pokusevski is the only one that came up with a worse build than Wemby’s), none of them is supposed to be as versatile as Wemby (maybe Chet), but Mobley was the only player out of all those listed previously that hasn’t had injury issues. Not many of them have honestly close to the height Wemby has either.
Also, if you have that bird in hand you jump at it and if does show some wear and tear you can always flip it down the road because there will be some medical staff that thinks it can rescue him. You may get less value but that trade off in value is well worth the risk in this case.
I’d say the bird in hand is trading the pick in a way that gets us a starting lineup of:
Luka/Kyrie/OG/Siakam/Duren
Adding 2-3 FRPs to that and still having Green/Hardy/Stewart off the bench. That’s 4-7 birds in the hand to the 1 in the bush who has never played an NBA game.
It's just strange to me that we're all saying how much we need to improve our front court and we're also saying that we don't want the best front court prospect since....KAT? AD? He just clearly addresses a ton of needs for us and you can explore Kyrie S&T options that can fill additional holes. Getting the #1 pick can lead to gaining multiple assets in other ways than simply trading the pick itself.
I just posted in the Roster thread about the holes we have on this roster. If you disagree with that, then that may be the disconnection. There are varying ideas on the value we could get back from a Kyrie SnT. One thing hasn’t been disagreed to is how much value we can get from #1 on draft day. On top of that, I have yet to get pushback on how screwed this team is with on court or contract values. If you also don’t believe that, I think you’re in the major minority.