11-07-2023, 01:52 PM
We had a conversation a few weeks back about what Rookie Lively might look like compared to other rookies. Some of the names that came up were S. Adams, M. Robinson. Various people then opined that he might be as good as so-and-so or he’ll never be as good as so-and-so. Well, we now have 7 games under our belt.
Lively’s box score stats are 9.0/7.7 with a block and an assist per game. He’s had three double digit scoring games (16, 15 and 10) and 3 double digit rebounding games (14, 13 and 10). His PER is 18.8. His WS/48 is .216 and Dallas is +8.4 when he’s on the floor. All of that in 24 minutes a game. The 3 times he’s gotten 30 minutes or more he’s averaged 12/12 instead of 9/7.7. So, clearly the ability to stay on the floor is key. But, he’s a freaking baby. He plays a position where grown men push his skinny frame around mercilessly. And he’s doing all of this ALREADY. I don’t think any of us really appreciate what we are going to have here in 2-3 years.
So, back to the comparison conversation. Adams as a rookie doesn’t tough any of Lively’s overall numbers. In fact, in his entire Rookie season Adams had one double digit rebound game (10) and three double digit scoring games (17, 10 and 10).
Walker Kessler is a really good comp so far. He was 9/8 his rookie season with similar WS/48, a better PER and a worse On-Court. He had 33 double digit point games (5 of those 20 or more) and 26 double digit rebound games. Lively is producing that in 43% of his games so far, so that kind of production is certainly within his reach.
Jarrett Allen was an 8/5 guy as a 19 year old rookie. He had 28 double digit scoring games, but only FIVE double digit rebound games as a rookie.
Mark Williams was a 9/7 guy last season (but in 19 minutes). It took him a while to get going, but he had 18 double digit scoring games and 11 double digit rebound games.
Mitchell Robinson got some attention here as a comp. He was 7/6 but had the same WS/48, a higher PER and was a negative on-court. He had 22 double digit scoring games, but only 3 double digit rebound games (14, 12 and 11…So Lively’s already tied that).
Finally, even Duren seems within reach. He was 9/9 last year with worse advanced stats and a negative on-court. 29 double digit scoring games and 28 double digit rebounding games.
Every year we pine for “real Centers” like these guys. Well, we now have one.
Lively’s box score stats are 9.0/7.7 with a block and an assist per game. He’s had three double digit scoring games (16, 15 and 10) and 3 double digit rebounding games (14, 13 and 10). His PER is 18.8. His WS/48 is .216 and Dallas is +8.4 when he’s on the floor. All of that in 24 minutes a game. The 3 times he’s gotten 30 minutes or more he’s averaged 12/12 instead of 9/7.7. So, clearly the ability to stay on the floor is key. But, he’s a freaking baby. He plays a position where grown men push his skinny frame around mercilessly. And he’s doing all of this ALREADY. I don’t think any of us really appreciate what we are going to have here in 2-3 years.
So, back to the comparison conversation. Adams as a rookie doesn’t tough any of Lively’s overall numbers. In fact, in his entire Rookie season Adams had one double digit rebound game (10) and three double digit scoring games (17, 10 and 10).
Walker Kessler is a really good comp so far. He was 9/8 his rookie season with similar WS/48, a better PER and a worse On-Court. He had 33 double digit point games (5 of those 20 or more) and 26 double digit rebound games. Lively is producing that in 43% of his games so far, so that kind of production is certainly within his reach.
Jarrett Allen was an 8/5 guy as a 19 year old rookie. He had 28 double digit scoring games, but only FIVE double digit rebound games as a rookie.
Mark Williams was a 9/7 guy last season (but in 19 minutes). It took him a while to get going, but he had 18 double digit scoring games and 11 double digit rebound games.
Mitchell Robinson got some attention here as a comp. He was 7/6 but had the same WS/48, a higher PER and was a negative on-court. He had 22 double digit scoring games, but only 3 double digit rebound games (14, 12 and 11…So Lively’s already tied that).
Finally, even Duren seems within reach. He was 9/9 last year with worse advanced stats and a negative on-court. 29 double digit scoring games and 28 double digit rebounding games.
Every year we pine for “real Centers” like these guys. Well, we now have one.
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