09-02-2023, 02:18 PM
(This post was last modified: 09-02-2023, 02:23 PM by KillerLeft.)
(09-02-2023, 02:02 PM)F Gump Wrote: The problem I have with Green is his elevation to must-have status, which would assume at whatever the price it will take. If he has a modest salary (80-100% of the MLE), I think that's the top of the range for a player like him. But jump into a higher range, and I am really leery of him playing up to that contract, much less proving to be a good value.
Price does impact desirability. We ALWAYS see players through the lens of their contract, because it impacts what else the team can do, and it also determines how easily he can be traded if need be.
I keep getting strawmanned by people arguing against my points by saying "he doesn't need to be a star" even though I have never argued that (nor is anyone else). At the right price, he can be a useful role player with the limits of his play. But will he be signed at the right price for that level of play? And will we ever get much more production than where he already is? It feels like the answer to both of those is that we have to pay whatever it takes and we see no real jump in his production, and I'm saying that needs to be seen realistically rather than with the pie-in-the-sky approach of "oh, he'll get way better, he has 'potential' " attitude.
Yeah, I agree with 99% of this. I think the full MLE (that RANGE, to be clear - I know the exception isn't required for the Mavs to extend) is justified for him, but that's only a small pushback, relatively. I don't mean to use "star" in a straw man way, it's just a word that quickly communicates "someone actively searching for shot opportunities" and I think that's probably the most obvious and basic definition, if not the most thorough. I am totally uninterested in a version of Green who searches for shots, personally. That's just not a hurdle that had occurred to me to wonder if he could get over. I might be missing your nuanced meaning with that part, but it jumped out at me.
I just think there were stretches last season, long stretches, where he was a real difference maker out there, and in the rarest of ways: EVERY way. I think he's exactly the type of guy you need on a contending roster, provided he can impact the game that way consistently, but I guess I'm with those who see Kidd's reluctance to play him instead of Bullock as the thing that held him back more than any development yet to come on Green's part (though there is some of that needed, to be fair).
(09-02-2023, 02:18 PM)IamDougieFresh Wrote: five 3 point attempt’s per game.
My opinion is that if he achieves the above without improving any other aspect of his game, he's a pretty darn valuable piece to a winning team. Point of attack defender might be the hardest thing to find these days, all things considered.