01-01-2022, 02:12 PM
(01-01-2022, 01:28 PM)fifteenth Wrote: I'll defend the driver of this particular conversation, even though I don't see +/- the same way he does. Kam isn't a "hater", he's been a lover of +/- for the decade I've known him. He's very consistant. He likes to use +/- and combine it with his eye test to make observations. I can't see any "hating" going on.
These comments aren't even aimed particularly at Special K, although I admit that I do think that, just every once in a while, he sometimes veers off into repeatedly citing a curated collection of +/- stats to support whatever his contrarian hobby horse du jour might be. And that can come across as hater-like (Shawn Marion, and now Luka), even if it isn't really meant that way. He's a good dawg and prolific contributor, I love him as much as the next guy, and my disagreement that the stats he cites always support his conclusions is in no way personal. But I think there are occasionally other people (maybe not so much on this board as in the Mavs media-verse at large) who do employ dodgy selections of this kind of stat in the service of hate-mongering, and that's what I was referring to. I see them on Twitter every day. Iztok had an exchange with them one day, which made me chuckle.
I also think that you are right in your general point of view that these sorts of disagreements can provoke some excellent discussions, and what I was really hoping for was to get some points of view that might further elucidate an interesting subject.