10-13-2019, 08:24 AM
(This post was last modified: 10-13-2019, 08:38 AM by dirkfansince1998.)
(10-12-2019, 07:35 PM)hakeemfan Wrote:(10-12-2019, 03:25 PM)j0Shi Wrote:(10-12-2019, 02:30 PM)WillE Wrote: You don't need to be elite in shooting to be successful
Pretty much this. What most people do not realize is that for any player shooting threes (and attempts close to the baskets, free throws) is the best option regardless of their percentages. Even bad shooters will get more efficiency out of their three point shots. It's really just simple math. There might be some weird exceptions, but overall, if a player indeed has a jumper, he can extend that jumper beyond the three point line. That's at the cost of accuracy, but usually the value of the shot outweighs the lower percentages.
Let's assume 47% on midrange shots, which is Dirk's career average. Means you're getting 0.94 PPS. To get the same value out of your three point attempts you only need 31.3%. It's highly unlikely that a 47% midrange shooter can't hit 31.3% of their threes (Dirk's career avg is 38.3%). And this doesn't even include the fact that your team is more likely to get a rebound off three point attempts etc. I bet there are little to no players who reliably shoot midrange shots, but are an absolute fail beyond the arc. Either you have a jumper or you don't. And if you have one, it's threes for you all day.
It's not that you're stating anything wrong, but these same stats have been thrown around for a few years now to justify the 3 pt offense. I don't have anything against 3 pt shots as such, but GS also moves beautifully without the ball and gets a lot of baskets near the rim. Plus they have 2 (3 when KD was there) of the greatest 3 pt shooters ever in the history of the game. Yet they didn't just hold the ball and jack up a 3.
Teams that play a lazy brand of offense, especially one that doesn't suit the personnel, will suffer sooner or later. The stats will bear that out too.
The whole idea that GS is just chucking 3s is wrong anyway. They ranked 14th in 17/18 and 9th in 18/19 when it comes to 3-point attempts.
The Warriors actually were among the league leading teams in midrange attempts (https://shottracker.com/articles/are-the-warriors-making-the-mid-range-relevant-again).
The Rockets have lead the league in 3-point shooting in the last few years. They have a clear ranking for shot attempts. The 3 isn´t their first option but more often than not the one that the defense cannot take away. That´s the real value of 3-point shooting.
Freethrows > Layups/Dunks > 3s > anything else
There is no way to build an offense around 3s alone. Even the best shooters have off nights. The best offense is a versatile one...especially in the playoffs.
(10-12-2019, 03:25 PM)j0Shi Wrote:(10-12-2019, 02:30 PM)WillE Wrote: You don't need to be elite in shooting to be successful
Pretty much this. What most people do not realize is that for any player shooting threes (and attempts close to the baskets, free throws) is the best option regardless of their percentages. Even bad shooters will get more efficiency out of their three point shots. It's really just simple math. There might be some weird exceptions, but overall, if a player indeed has a jumper, he can extend that jumper beyond the three point line. That's at the cost of accuracy, but usually the value of the shot outweighs the lower percentages.
Let's assume 47% on midrange shots, which is Dirk's career average. Means you're getting 0.94 PPS. To get the same value out of your three point attempts you only need 31.3%. It's highly unlikely that a 47% midrange shooter can't hit 31.3% of their threes (Dirk's career avg is 38.3%). And this doesn't even include the fact that your team is more likely to get a rebound off three point attempts etc. I bet there are little to no players who reliably shoot midrange shots, but are an absolute fail beyond the arc. Either you have a jumper or you don't. And if you have one, it's threes for you all day.
There are a lot of players that fit your description. Half of the Spurs rosters....DeRozan, Aldridge. Bigman that did not extend their range to the 3-point but take midrange shots or recently retired guards like Parker and Livingston.
Jump shooting mechanics are a lot more difficult than the average person would asume. Livingston once mentioned his lack of 3-point shooting in an interview and explained that his usual shooting motion did not create enough power to shoot from 3 and that he had to change/adjust it if he wanted to shoot from 20ft out.