(06-02-2021, 12:36 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Should be at least 15m left to upgrade the front court. And the rE.
Let´s say THJ+Fournier 35m, Smart 14.3m. RW3 is still on a rookie deal.

(06-02-2021, 12:34 PM)TXBamanut Wrote: Without KP --- 9-10 - https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/dallas-mavericks-record-without-porzingis-since-2021
With KP --- 26-17 - https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/mavericks-record-when-porzingis-plays-2021

Doesn't look better to me...where it counts most.

I think your KP hate is making you irrational by some weird advanced metric that doesn't put you in the playoffs.  Let's just change his nickname from the "Unicorn" to the "Scapegoat" or the "Whipping Boy"...

(06-02-2021, 09:49 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: We are all forgetting rule number 1 here:

Never trade with Danny Ainge

(06-02-2021, 12:50 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: 15-13 without him for the season. Winning record without the highest paid player. -4.9 on/off. -0.7 on court. Mavs are getting outscored when KP is on the floor. That´s not some irrational advanced metric. Simply what happens when KP is playing. Obviously a lineup stat so it might not be his fault but looking at the entire team it is pretty obvious that something is wrong. KP ranks last among rotation players. Only one close is Richardson (-4.7 on/off). Difference is that Richardson lost his starting spot. KP continues to be a net negative in the playoffs.

(06-02-2021, 01:41 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: I´m sure Carlisle and Marcus Smart would get along fantastically well.

(06-02-2021, 11:46 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: Are we overrating Smart perhaps a bit? Sure he's an emotional leader and his defense, when he's on, is All-NBA level.

But he's also a horrid scorer. He at times becomes a black hole (at least thats what avid Celts fan Bill Simmons says). Trading KP for him would be a step back.

I like Smart. I just don't know if he'd be a good fit around Luka especially because he can't space the floor.

Another way to think of it as, does Smart bring something new to the table that Josh Richardson didn't have? And seeing how Richardson failed mostly because he couldn't space the floor, I'm wary to bring Smart in to play that same role.

(06-02-2021, 12:50 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: 15-13 without him for the season. Winning record without the highest paid player. -4.9 on/off. -0.7 on court. Mavs are getting outscored when KP is on the floor. That´s not some irrational advanced metric. Simply what happens when KP is playing. Obviously a lineup stat so it might not be his fault but looking at the entire team it is pretty obvious that something is wrong. KP ranks last among rotation players. Only one close is Richardson (-4.7 on/off). Difference is that Richardson lost his starting spot. KP continues to be a net negative in the playoffs.

(06-02-2021, 01:41 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: So Carlisle allegedly told Rondo that he should learn how to shoot instead, after Rondo beat him at Connect 4.

I´m sure Carlisle and Marcus Smart would get along fantastically well.

(06-02-2021, 04:59 PM)TXBamanut Wrote: Yeah, I actually tried to delete that because I didn't look at the with Luka, but not KP numbers....the no Luka numbers made it look more even.  I would say that the teams we played would factor in that as well.

I still think you are doing a 2+2=3 thing, because I sincerely doubt that if we played the Clipps 5 games with KP and 5 games without him (or any other playoff contender...maybe ESPECIALLY any other playoff contender) that we would say that we were better.  I doubt if we just subbed in Davis Bertans (who's probably 70% of KP's talent) that we'd be better.

I think a good amount of you have made him the scapegoat and are on a search for any metric that could be stretched to make yourself think he's trash.  That's cool.  I'm a Mavs fan, so I'm a KP fan as long as he's a Mav....and while he is a Mav, I want him to play well.

I think that fans in general get the "grass is always greener" syndrome and underrate the players they hate, overrate the players they like and thank the Lord, we aren't GMs or we'd probably have the worst team ever.

(06-02-2021, 05:13 PM)burekemde Wrote: There is no doubt that there are elements of what you are writing here. I think the reason he is scapegoat is a valid one, in the sense that he was supposed to play a lot a lot a lot a lot a lot (at least 5x fold) better than he is right now. What is even worse is that he indeed has played a lot a lot a lot (3x fold) better for the Mavs previously, even in the same scheme that is used now. He was previously protecting the paint as the best of them in the NBA. He was way better offensively, and much more importantly he gave a much better effort than he is now and looked a better part of the team chemistry wise. He also looked more healthy and athletic.

Hence, I think the criticism is valid. He was supposed to be an all star, but he doesnt play like one. He gets the money of one. He doesnt play like one. He doesnt have the impact that was supposed to have and that he is payed to create.

That being said, the other extreme is also not true. Yes, we are better with KP than Bertrans, Powell, Boban, etc. etc. He does make us better. It is just not enough to meet the rather big expectations.

The by far the worst thing is that he has regressed. In the same scheme surrounded by pretty much the same players. He has lost chemistry with the team, effort, athleticism, stats, basically everything has regressed in his game. Hence it is not due to change in scheme, but simply something to do with KP himself internally. It might be injury, it might be mental. But the fact is, he has regressed. I think its valid that many fans are not happy. There are other reasons if we dont win the title this season, even several or many. But this might easy be the biggest one, the regression of KP.

He is still one of our best players, but due to hin not meeting the expectations, it plays a huge role of us contending or not. Most other players have improved. Starting from Luka, THJ, DFS, Maxi (shooting) etc. We finished the season better position than last season. We give more fight against Clippers as a team. But one player that did actually regressed in the other direction, that is KP.

(06-02-2021, 07:28 PM)Aussiebballer Wrote: Could KP and Sabonis play together?
If the Pacers think so then maybe a KP for Turner deal?

(06-03-2021, 12:37 AM)ThisIStheYear Wrote: I know it sounds nuts, but Zinger wasn’t that awful tonight.  He wasn’t max worthy, but he was better than the stat line says.

(06-02-2021, 09:26 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: The KP equation is so tricky.  You have fit issues, is he happy, does Luka like him, and the ever present injury concerns.  I maintain the easiest and quickest way for the Mavs to be a contender is getting KP to play to his potential.   

I look at the names you mention above, I like several of those guys.  Am intrigued by others.   You mention the Mavs have played better when KP is off the floor and that is a good point.  But I just keep on coming back to the point is how do the mavs elevate themselves to contender status against teams like a healthy Brooklyn, a healthy Denver, a healthy Philadelphia, etc moving forward.   The guys listed above are good players, but I don't know if any move the needle.   The Stephen Adams, Bertans, etc are just guys imo.   Some may help long term, but I think it just leaves us as a team that doesn't have enough.

So I am still holding out for KP to work here.   It doesn't look good now.  But I would hate to trade him without me seeing how I think he should be utilized.

(06-03-2021, 07:45 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Holmes/Powell/Willie
Maxi/McDaniels/Bey
DFS/THJ/Green
Rozier/THJ/Green
Luka/Brunson/Terry