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RE: HOLY KRISTAPS: All Things Porzingis | Would you trade him? - ItsGoTime - 05-01-2021
(05-01-2021, 04:11 AM)radioaktiv Wrote: Brunson was a choice trade fodder just months ago, for example.Don’t remember a single trade of him with him being fodder in the deal. Yes, lots speculated he might want a team of his own and that we need to get value from him before losing him for nothing. Very different than trade fodder.
RE: HOLY KRISTAPS: All Things Porzingis | Would you trade him? - ClutchDirk - 05-01-2021
(05-01-2021, 01:56 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2021/4/29/22408327/the-long-term-fit-of-luka-doncic-and-kristaps-porzingis-has-nothing-to-do-with-offense?fbclid=IwAR2hst7uKVjj6CSMqzDdZxS95eREZPQ0HhT0NhpqBFel-ixpwBfbmYYVZ8I
While these questions are legitimate, we have enough evidence to say that the offense is really good whenever Dončić and Poriznigis are on the floor together. This season, the lineups that feature both Dončić and Porzingis score 120.9 points per 100 possessions. That ranks in the top [b]95th percentile[/b] of all NBA lineups, per Cleaning the Glass data.
RE: HOLY KRISTAPS: All Things Porzingis | Would you trade him? - MFFL - 05-01-2021
Can you imagine how crazy this thread would get if the Mavs get the 7th seed and lose both games?
We would convey a lottery pick to the Knicks with zero protection
RE: HOLY KRISTAPS: All Things Porzingis | Would you trade him? - StepBackJay - 05-01-2021
(05-01-2021, 08:51 AM)MFFL Wrote: Can you imagine how crazy this thread would get if the Mavs get the 7th seed and lose both games?
We would convey a lottery pick to the Knicks with zero protection
That wouldn't be fun
RE: HOLY KRISTAPS: All Things Porzingis | Would you trade him? - omahen - 05-01-2021
(05-01-2021, 08:51 AM)MFFL Wrote: We would convey a lottery pick to the Knicks with zero protection
I don't care which pick would it be. We traded it away, game over. Doesn't matter if it is number 1 or number 30, as far as I am concerned.
RE: HOLY KRISTAPS: All Things Porzingis | Would you trade him? - Kammrath - 05-01-2021
https://twitter.com/espn_macmahon/status/1388547827069034507
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RE: HOLY KRISTAPS: All Things Porzingis | Would you trade him? - bodhisattva - 05-01-2021
(05-01-2021, 12:48 PM)Kammrath Wrote: https://twitter.com/espn_macmahon/status/1388547827069034507
Here is a serious question. You guys think he can go 2 rounds in playoffs without missing a game? I think he could do 4,5 games in first round but then? Anybody else wondering about stuff like this or just me?
RE: HOLY KRISTAPS: All Things Porzingis | Would you trade him? - KillerLeft - 05-01-2021
(05-01-2021, 02:31 PM)bodhisattva Wrote: Here is a serious question. You guys think he can go 2 rounds in playoffs without missing a game? I think he could do 4,5 games in first round but then? Anybody else wondering about stuff like this or just me?
I wish it was as simple as "will he play, or won't he," but what we've learned this season is that it's just not. There's a third scenario, one we've seen too often this season, wherein he plays but hurts the team with his lack of mobility and aggressiveness.
For me to get back on board, he not only has to play every possible playoff game, but he has to play hard.
RE: HOLY KRISTAPS: All Things Porzingis | Would you trade him? - bodhisattva - 05-01-2021
(05-01-2021, 02:37 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I wish it was as simple as "will he play, or won't he," but what we've learned this season is that it's just not. There's a third scenario, one we've seen too often this season, wherein he plays but hurts the team with his lack of mobility and aggressiveness.
For me to get back on board, he not only has to play every possible playoff game, but he has to play hard.
I get it. But we got what we got and will have to work with it. And we are better off if he plays. He is 20 and 9 after all and is having statistically his best season. We are talking stuff 1 month from now only, not his price, 2nd star stats etc...
Point I was trying to convey was, i was kinda hoping to see a bit healthier KP in his 2nd season and it just isnt the case. So with all this games off I am getting a bit worried. Maybe they are saving him for the playoffs. I mean its laughable if Mavs are paying a player who couldnt play 4 games in a row and would be load managed in a playoff series.
I know he is fragile, but even Nash, Embiid, Davis...eventually put together one or more solid seasons. People forget. I still have hope in KP.
RE: HOLY KRISTAPS: All Things Porzingis | Would you trade him? - Scott41theMavs - 05-01-2021
(05-01-2021, 12:42 PM)omahen Wrote: I don't care which pick would it be. We traded it away, game over. Doesn't matter if it is number 1 or number 30, as far as I am concerned.
I personally think that's absurd. It impinges greatly on the balance of the trade. The Mavs clearly thought of the pick as likely to fall well outside the lottery when they made the trade. If we give them the 14th pick, then that moves the balance of the trade to them and reflects more poorly on the MBT. If they end up with a top four pick, then the trade will have been historically bad from the Mavs' end.
RE: HOLY KRISTAPS: All Things Porzingis | Would you trade him? - omahen - 05-01-2021
(05-01-2021, 04:01 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: I personally think that's absurd. It impinges greatly on the balance of the trade. The Mavs clearly thought of the pick as likely to fall well outside the lottery when they made the trade. If we give them the 14th pick, then that moves the balance of the trade to them and reflects more poorly on the MBT. If they end up with a top four pick, then the trade will have been historically bad from the Mavs' end.
Absolutely nothing you said have me reconsider my opinion. The trade is a done deal. The pick to Knicks is a done deal. Water under the bridge for me. I care about tomorrow, not about yesterday. The trade was judged at time of trade and I would do it 10 times out of 10. Being a general after the battle is not my thing.
RE: HOLY KRISTAPS: All Things Porzingis | Would you trade him? - KillerLeft - 05-01-2021
(05-01-2021, 04:18 PM)omahen Wrote: The trade is a done deal. The pick to Knicks is a done deal. Water under the bridge for me. I care about tomorrow, not about yesterday.
Totally agree with this.
Whether you still believe in KP or not, the price paid shouldn't be a consideration. That's the past. All that matters is the future.
RE: HOLY KRISTAPS: All Things Porzingis | Would you trade him? - ClutchDirk - 05-01-2021
The first time that pick scores 20 points the MBT will get torched...
RE: HOLY KRISTAPS: All Things Porzingis | Would you trade him? - Scott41theMavs - 05-01-2021
(05-01-2021, 04:31 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Totally agree with this.
Whether you still believe in KP or not, the price paid shouldn't be a consideration. That's the past. All that matters is the future.
If you think that's how the NY media and the rest of the national sports media look at it, then it's good to be you (shrug).
(05-01-2021, 04:18 PM)omahen Wrote: Absolutely nothing you said have me reconsider my opinion. The trade is a done deal. The pick to Knicks is a done deal. Water under the bridge for me. I care about tomorrow, not about yesterday. The trade was judged at time of trade and I would do it 10 times out of 10. Being a general after the battle is not my thing.
Ask the Billy King Nets about "water under the bridge." LOLOLOLOLOL
RE: HOLY KRISTAPS: All Things Porzingis | Would you trade him? - KillerLeft - 05-01-2021
(05-01-2021, 04:44 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: If you think that's how the NY media and the rest of the national sports media look at it, then it's good to be you (shrug).
Why should their opinion matter to me, or for that matter, to the Mavericks? Either they're building towards a championship, or they're moving farther away. Anything else is irrelevant. What's done is done. If the Knicks were right not to believe in KP, they deserve the picks. That has no bearing on just what is the current right thing to do for the Mavs.
RE: HOLY KRISTAPS: All Things Porzingis | Would you trade him? - radioaktiv - 05-01-2021
(05-01-2021, 04:51 AM)Thukydides Wrote: Strongly disagree here. It's all about value (performance/salary). And of course the truely untradeable guys, who noone would ever consider moving are only maybe 3-5 in this league. Even guys like Curry. Don't you think, Warriors would move him in a split second, if Mavs offered Luka. Of course they would. If you can get more value than Brunson offers, you do it. If you can get more value than KP offers (or is projected to offer - I should add), you do it. Certainly this can go terribly wrong sometimes (J-Rich for Seth). Still it's worth the consideration in most cases
I'm not against doing trades, I'm aware it's the greatest strength of the Mavs FO. Dirk, Kidd (2nd run), Tyson, Luka, KP, and some other players probably wouldn't have ended up here if we didn't trade for them.
If you notice though, the Mavs always try to trade with the mindset and confidence of getting the best player out of the deal. Even in the failed Rondo trade, Mavs FO (and we) thought we were getting an All-NBA PG.
In the KP situation, if the trades suggested here were to be followed, we'd end up getting a lesser talent. And back to my point, give it 3 months and I bet that the new guy is our next favorite trade offering around here.
(05-01-2021, 05:42 AM)Branduil Wrote: Yes clearly the problem since 2011 is with the fanbase having too high expectations and not the abject failure of the front office to acquire a worthy star next to Dirk until he was taking his retirement lap.
LOL so childish, but here: I do believe they could have done better but I temper my expectations based on what options they have at hand. We aren't a choice destination, and 2010s-2020s is the age of super teams. Unless some megastar schemed with another to set up shop in Dallas, it's hard to win it all anyway. A few exceptions:
- 2020 Lakers, although they still got there by collusion. This was also the lone year of parity with no 3 all-NBAers in a single team in the last 11 years.
- 2019 Raptors, aided by GSW injuries. And they are even worse than us right now.
- Some Texan team in 2011.
So whining about past seasons that we probably wouldn't have won hold little value to me. Sure, I wanted them to have gone harder in some instances like when they could have gotten Giannis in the draft, maybe TJ Warren from PHX, and S. Bey over Green in the last draft, but I suppose I'm also happy they didn't do most of what we wanted them to do - I don't think we'd have been successful with teams featuring Dwight Howard or board favorite Otto Porter Jr as our 1st/2nd options.
The present situation, is the call to trade KP. Let's say a trade happens:
(a) we settle for a lesser talent as mentioned above, and this time unhappier because we have a someone with less trade value. Maybe we get someone with less contract years, but it probably won't help the mood.
(a.1) a healthy KP helps his new team win a series with a string of 30pts / 15reb games. People are already comparing Seth vs Josh, so expect KP vs new guy if new guy doesn't win us a series.
(b) we take a flier on a young, unproven talent. There is also a b1 scenario here similar to a1, though we'll probably have a little more patience with the young guy.
© someone like Kawhi engineers something to team up with Luka plus another star from somewhere in DAL. Dream scenario, but pipe dream.
(d) we get someone who has issues - injured or unhappy. Maybe Beal if he got fed up in WAS. But for this scenario, it's at best months away so if we're hellbent on trading KP in the offseason, one of (a) or (b) is going to happen - which means we'll be back to exactly where we are now.
I would be happy to be wrong.
RE: HOLY KRISTAPS: All Things Porzingis | Would you trade him? - BolsDamols - 05-01-2021
(05-01-2021, 12:48 PM)Kammrath Wrote: https://twitter.com/espn_macmahon/status/1388547827069034507
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RE: HOLY KRISTAPS: All Things Porzingis | Would you trade him? - Kammrath - 05-01-2021
(05-01-2021, 07:30 PM)BolsDamols Wrote:
Spitting image, am I right??
RE: HOLY KRISTAPS: All Things Porzingis | Would you trade him? - Razzmatazz_Hopskidillydoo - 05-02-2021
KP for Rozier+Washington+Bridges.
Rozier isn't the secondary playmaker I am thinking of, but he does have nice assist numbers for a small SG scoring 20 a game.
Washington is the upgrade at PF, wouldn't interfere with a Holmes signing since PJ can shoot the 3 well. And the dude is just 22, think of PJ as the replacement value of the first round pick the Mavs would give to NY..
At the rate, DFS is improving, I am not sure if Bridges is an upgrade on offense, surely DFS is better on defense. But if Miles turn to be just a JAG as I think he is going to be, it sure is nice to have another athletic SF who can shoot at 40% clip. At least he has more use than a 3 point specialist like Bertrans.
Would Charlotte do this?
They do have a glaring hole at center and KP not only fills up the need but adding star power to a team who's scoring comes mostly form the guards. And, they have a guy like Hayward on that team which means they want to compete now, rather than later, can't wait for Miles to go on another level, he may not. And also, unloading Rozier will allow them to keep Graham and Monk. If they get KP their top 4 players could be Lamelo, KP, Hayward and Graham. Not bad.
For the Mavs:
F DFS/Bridges
F PJ/Maxi/Bey
C Holmes/DP/(Boban or WCS)
G Rozier/JR (if he opts in)/Green
G Luka/JB/Burke/Terry?
Still can sign THJ if he wants to stay.
No big 3 or even a big 2. Just a functional team that can compete and has the assets to flip for an upgrade.
Then at the TDL: You have everything you need to go at Lavine
RE: HOLY KRISTAPS: All Things Porzingis | Would you trade him? - StepBackJay - 05-02-2021
I would be good with a Bridges, Rozier-based trade for KP. My concern with KP is that his value will go down if Mavs keep him. I expect him to finish strong and if so that would be the time to move him.