(02-15-2020, 11:56 AM)ThisIStheYear Wrote: Zinger’s playing better lately so hopefully the upward trend continues.  He’s below average this season and for his career as a shooter (lower than average effective and true shooting percentages).  He can’t really be considered a good player until he gets those numbers up beyond his career average.  He’s going to need to raise his three point percentage up to 40% and increase his two point shot to at least 50%. If he can’t do that, he won’t be truly a good player, just a guy who’s noticeable and thus overrated.  He has a long ways to go but does have the talent to get there I think.

(02-15-2020, 11:56 AM)ThisIStheYear Wrote: Zinger’s playing better lately so hopefully the upward trend continues. He’s below average this season and for his career as a shooter (lower than average effective and true shooting percentages). He can’t really be considered a good player until he gets those numbers up beyond his career average. He’s going to need to raise his three point percentage up to 40% and increase his two point shot to at least 50%. If he can’t do that, he won’t be truly a good player, just a guy who’s noticeable and thus overrated. He has a long ways to go but does have the talent to get there I think.

(02-15-2020, 01:01 PM)Tyler Wrote: Speaking of "it's all starting to click" February, here are KP's February stats per game:

27 points, 10 rebounds, 2 assists, 1.4 blocks, 1.2 steals

Shooting 50/40/90.  With a .683 TS%.

(02-15-2020, 12:20 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote:

(02-15-2020, 11:56 AM)ThisIStheYear Wrote: Zinger’s playing better lately so hopefully the upward trend continues.  He’s below average this season and for his career as a shooter (lower than average effective and true shooting percentages).  He can’t really be considered a good player until he gets those numbers up beyond his career average.  He’s going to need to raise his three point percentage up to 40% and increase his two point shot to at least 50%. If he can’t do that, he won’t be truly a good player, just a guy who’s noticeable and thus overrated.  He has a long ways to go but does have the talent to get there I think.

"downvote"

He was rusty and not used to not being the alpha. I'm rather stunned that anyone, much less a Mavs fan, could look at his "it's all starting to click" February and have this opinion.

(02-15-2020, 05:21 PM)ThisIStheYear Wrote: Partly rust maybe, but his shooting numbers are pretty consistent with his career.  Even his best year in New York, his shooting efficiency wasn’t good enough to make him a good player.  Just a guy who took shots and people noticed his style so he seemed better than he really is, a la Antoine Walker or someone like that. But, like I said, he has the talent to get better, good coaching, and a bunch of really good offensive players around him.  He’ll get a lot of good looks.  He has no excuse to not get closer to the 50-40-85 standard he needs to be at. If he keeps his Recent performance up long term, all will be good. But this can’t be a good stretch. It needs to be the normal.

(02-15-2020, 05:21 PM)ThisIStheYear Wrote:

(02-15-2020, 12:20 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote:

(02-15-2020, 11:56 AM)ThisIStheYear Wrote: Zinger’s playing better lately so hopefully the upward trend continues. He’s below average this season and for his career as a shooter (lower than average effective and true shooting percentages). He can’t really be considered a good player until he gets those numbers up beyond his career average. He’s going to need to raise his three point percentage up to 40% and increase his two point shot to at least 50%. If he can’t do that, he won’t be truly a good player, just a guy who’s noticeable and thus overrated. He has a long ways to go but does have the talent to get there I think.

"downvote"

He was rusty and not used to not being the alpha. I'm rather stunned that anyone, much less a Mavs fan, could look at his "it's all starting to click" February and have this opinion.

Partly rust maybe, but his shooting numbers are pretty consistent with his career. Even his best year in New York, his shooting efficiency wasn’t good enough to make him a good player. Just a guy who took shots and people noticed his style so he seemed better than he really is, a la Antoine Walker or someone like that. But, like I said, he has the talent to get better, good coaching, and a bunch of really good offensive players around him. He’ll get a lot of good looks. He has no excuse to not get closer to the 50-40-85 standard he needs to be at. If he keeps his Recent performance up long term, all will be good. But this can’t be a good stretch. It needs to be the normal.

(02-15-2020, 06:43 PM)fifteenth Wrote:

(02-15-2020, 05:21 PM)ThisIStheYear Wrote: Partly rust maybe, but his shooting numbers are pretty consistent with his career. Even his best year in New York, his shooting efficiency wasn’t good enough to make him a good player. Just a guy who took shots and people noticed his style so he seemed better than he really is, a la Antoine Walker or someone like that. But, like I said, he has the talent to get better, good coaching, and a bunch of really good offensive players around him. He’ll get a lot of good looks. He has no excuse to not get closer to the 50-40-85 standard he needs to be at. If he keeps his Recent performance up long term, all will be good. But this can’t be a good stretch. It needs to be the normal.

My hope, even prediction, is that his NY inefficiency was due to the offense he was in and the load he carried, his inefficiency this season is from rust and learning a new system, and that his Feb #s are more like what we'll see from a healthy confident KP and an in sinc KP and Luka.

Having said that, 50/40/90 with a .683 TS% with good volume over a number of years is HOF level.

(02-15-2020, 08:50 PM)ThisIStheYear Wrote: I favored the trade.  Zinger has potential. He’s young.  Mavs gave up no player of value and some mediocre draft picks and got back some other decent assets.  As for the standard to hold him to, it’s max player standard.  If your value is as a stretch five, you have to knock down your shots at an elite rate to be max worthy.

(02-26-2020, 03:23 PM)Hypermav Wrote: "All that said, it’s easy to imagine what a Doncic, Porzingis, and Hardaway trio would look like in the lesser Eastern Conference. In a cruel twist of fate, Porzingis’ early stretch of dominance during the 2017-18 season torpedoed New York’s chances of climbing in the lottery to take the Wonder Boy.

Seeing Doncic and Porzingis don the orange and blue would have been enough to put many Knicks fans in a permanent state of nirvana. But alas, now Knicks fans can only watch what could have been from a distance."