(06-19-2021, 02:33 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: To me, at this point, KP dump trades are about flexibility in rebuilding the roster. It's hard to build a roster when you have $30 mil a year sunk into a center who can't defend and isn't all that great shakes on the offensive end either - and then there's the ticking bomb of his health. If you can get even one rotational piece that is usable for the medium term, you're ahead of the game. If you take on some more bite-sized mini-albatross contracts that are easier to move, that also creates flexibility. In spite of the poo-pooing of some posters, I am big on going as close to trading him into space as possible.

(06-19-2021, 02:38 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: This is what I was saying about a month before the trade deadline. People thought I was bananas. It's probably still a decent way to go, it's just that my head is spinning so much about the Mavericks right now even my opinions are paralyzed. Further mistakes, at this stage, would be catastrophic. 

I just hope the new President/GM is the right person(s) for the job. Once we know what's going on with that, we'll all (hopefully) feel a lot better.

(06-21-2021, 10:26 AM)Guwop Wrote: How about a 3 team trade with WAS & DAL & PHI 

Dallas receives Beal (WAS) & Thybulle (PHI) and gives up KP
Phi receives Westbrook (WAS) and gives up Simmons 
WAS receives Simmons (PHI) & KP (DAL) and gives up Westbrook and Bradley Beal 

this trade make all teams better IMO... Dallas clearly wins it but all parties benefit lol 

---

(06-22-2021, 03:08 AM)juanc Wrote: Ok I know that KP is the hot potato in the Mavericks(fans) hands, and everybody wants to get rid of him, but hear me out.

First of all, his value is at an all time low, and that wouldbe just poor asset management. I think that the Mavs are one of the poorest franchises when it comes to assets(OK we have Luka, but we know he isn't getting traded - like having the biggest gold coin in the kingdom, but other than that, you are struggling to find food  ). But things change in the NBA fast.

This will also be the first offseason in 3-4 years, where KP won't be recovering from an injury, and will have all the time to work on his game(Also Latvia isn't playing in any qualifiers this summer). And KP also knows he needs to evolve his game. A big factor here is also him getting more comfortable with his knees(that was a big reason, at least IMO, he wasn't the KP we used to see in 19/20(at least after january and in the bubble).
In his first three offseasons in the NBA, before the injuries, he allways added something to his game, and I belive this will also be the case this year.

And also there is a new head coach comming to Dallas. This can go both ways, but I think we have seen KP in his lesser role(as a spot up shooter), and there is just no way he'll get even less touches.

So when I look at all the facts, I think that this is(barring another injury) KP's rock bottom value. He still has value as a floor spacer, one little thing I hope he can add to his game is the offball around the basket game(kind of like Capella has(He has shown some flashes in the PO's when our favourite playmaker Boban feed him from the elbow).

I belive there is a bigger probability of KP at least restoring/getting back a little bit of his value, than there is of him loosing it. Heck even loosing one year on his contract is adding value

(07-05-2021, 10:41 AM)Kammrath Wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3E86xPqCD8w

(07-05-2021, 10:59 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: Man, I guess I don’t pay enough attention to Skin as I should. This is pretty much exactly my thoughts on everything me talked about.

(07-05-2021, 11:04 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: If Porzingis was not such a health risk, nobody would consider trading him now

(07-05-2021, 10:41 AM)Kammrath Wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3E86xPqCD8w

(07-05-2021, 11:04 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: Only problem is that he didn´t mention the injured elephant in the room. If Porzingis was not such a health risk, nobody would consider trading him now, no matter how poorly he played in the play-offs.

Replacing the head coach and giving it another season is the usual first measure to get the star players on the same page. If that doesn´t work the trade is coming.

This all comes down to the injury risk evaluation.

(07-05-2021, 11:21 AM)Chicagojk Wrote:  He may not ever be a great pick and role guy with Luka as your offensive staple, but can you get him moving? 

(07-05-2021, 11:15 AM)Kammrath Wrote: I think health does indeed factor in a lot. 

I was very adamant that the threesome of Luka/KP/RC had, had, had to be broken up. With RC gone, I am willing to go into next season with KP. BUT I would prefer to trade him this summer still. But it isn't imperative anymore.

(07-05-2021, 11:21 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: I agree with his takes here.   There will always be an injury concern with him so I will never argue with someone who says we need to dump him ASAP.  

Personally, I think a lot of the names I see in trades for him are guys that don't really matter in the end.   KP play last year didn't matter but I believe the best of him is a guy who matters.  There are not many guys (40? 50?) of those in the league.   Can you find that again?

I agree that more motion is needed for this offense.  I have been focusing on another creator and I think KP could really flourish here.   He may not ever be a great pick and role guy with Luka as your offensive staple, but can you get him moving?   If he will never punish smaller guys in the post, have him coming off screens midrange and shooting over smaller players.   Then off that you can build off a pump fake and drive.   There are a lot of options I think you can build off him in mid range.   I envision getting him 4-5 baskets at the rim, 4-5 free throws, a few mid range shots, and 3-4 three attempts.  That right there puts him above 20 points a game and keeps him engaged.   The big question is his defense.   His play this year didn't give a lot of confidence there.

(07-05-2021, 11:33 AM)Kammrath Wrote: This is EVERYTHING for me about long term offensive fit. 

There were FLASHES of chemistry in the pick and roll with the two of them at times. Why didn't we see it more? KP not wanting to? KP just being that awful of a screen setter? Concerns about wear on KP's body as the screener? Poor coaching decisions? Luka preferring other options? 

I prefer KP gone THIS summer.....BUT there is a chunk of me that wants to see Luka and KP in the pick and roll with a brand new coaching staff, just to see. Cause "what if"? I LOVED the KP trade because of his D and what I thought he would be in the pick and roll with Luka. 

Imagine if KP did nothing this summer but work on being in the pick and roll....working on screens, on angles, on rolling, on slipping, etc.

(07-05-2021, 11:15 AM)Kammrath Wrote: I think health does indeed factor in a lot. 

(07-05-2021, 11:15 AM)Kammrath Wrote:  I would prefer to trade [Porzingis] this summer still.

(07-05-2021, 11:33 AM)Kammrath Wrote: Imagine if KP did nothing this summer but work on being in the pick and roll....working on screens, on angles, on rolling, on slipping, etc.