(06-07-2021, 04:22 PM)Kammrath Wrote: Stole this from @"StrandedOnBeauboisHill"....Vegas Odds for KP trade destinations:


Boston +200
Golden State +225
OKC +300
Orlando +400
Washington +500
Chicago +600


Here are the assets and trade matching salaries I have my eyes on from each of those teams to try and build a trade with...

 
OKC
Horford
#4 pick
#18 pick
future picks
 

(06-07-2021, 08:06 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: Read again.

(06-07-2021, 07:57 AM)omahen Wrote: I also read another interesting piece I post below, basically saying: bring DeRozan, resign THJ (both for three years) and attack FA market in 2024 with just Luka on the books. Luka will be 25 then, more experienced, more mature. Perhaps ready for the super team and coexistence with other stars. 

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/how-can-the-mavericks-get-luka-doncic-a-co-star-that-depends-on-how-patient-theyre-willing-to-be/

(06-07-2021, 07:17 PM)vfromlmf Wrote: KP is a unicorn at center in today's NBA. He's not a unicorn at forward. At forward, he's just a shooter who can't defend the perimeter and I can list two dozen guys I'd rather start than KP at PF. 

Unfortunately, he was utterly unplayable at center in the playoffs. 

(06-07-2021, 08:08 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Regarding OKC...Give me the worst of their 2023 picks as part of the deal...

(06-07-2021, 08:27 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: But the "real" plan is just to get us from here to 2024.

(06-07-2021, 09:09 PM)Kammrath Wrote: I get the logic with this and I do think the Mavs have to think long term......BUT I am convinced Luka is ready to win NOW (if he can just fix his diet and conditioning). I would hate squander true contention for three years aiming for 2024. 

(06-07-2021, 08:27 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: This is probably the best article I've seen.  No idea if this is how they roll, but the article is very well thought out and not something we've spent time on (as opposed to regurgitating the same trades we've been making for the last month).  Not Plan Powder, but "Plan Booker".  

There isn't a requirement that the key player be DeRozan.  It can be any of the older guys who would take our money (my preference is Conley).  The 2023 draft will have passed by then and will put us in a better position with draft capital.

From a PR standpoint, we are getting a "name FA" this summer.  So we satisfy the fan base that wants us to "DO SOMETHING".  As I've said, you can argue that just one more good (not great) real NBA starter would have gotten us past LAC.  So, we would still be knocking on the door with a plan like this.  But the "real" plan is just to get us from here to 2024.

(06-07-2021, 09:11 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: The expectation, I think, is that Luka is on a team FAVORED as one of 3-4 contenders for the ENTIRETY of THOSE YEARS. What's happening NOW won't matter so much when we're there.

(06-07-2021, 08:27 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: This is probably the best article I've seen.  No idea if this is how they roll, but the article is very well thought out and not something we've spent time on (as opposed to regurgitating the same trades we've been making for the last month).  Not Plan Powder, but "Plan Booker".  

There isn't a requirement that the key player be DeRozan.  It can be any of the older guys who would take our money (my preference is Conley).  The 2023 draft will have passed by then and will put us in a better position with draft capital.

From a PR standpoint, we are getting a "name FA" this summer.  So we satisfy the fan base that wants us to "DO SOMETHING".  As I've said, you can argue that just one more good (not great) real NBA starter would have gotten us past LAC.  So, we would still be knocking on the door with a plan like this.  But the "real" plan is just to get us from here to 2024.

(06-07-2021, 09:17 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: What is happening will determine if Luka is still on the Mavs in those years. If the Mavs cannot show him that they are willing and smart enough to build around him (including paying luxury tax) he could be gone before he enters his best years.

(06-07-2021, 09:24 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: See, I think it's more about the team's ability to maneuver in such a way where they are in position to deliver the team he wants/needs when he is truly aware enough to know it, right around when this coming extension is over (5 years, I think, if the 5th year of the extension is a player option). 

I don't think ANY amount of team success between now and then will matter much to him at that time if the roster isn't very flexible AT THAT TIME. Obviously, I'm not suggesting they don't TRY to put a great team out there in the meantime, but they need to make SMART decisions relative to timing. 

Maybe I'm wrong.

(06-07-2021, 09:30 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: I am not suggesting a 00s Cavs like all in approach that leaves the Mavs with terrible contracts, no capspace or picks but I do think that Luka wants the Mavs to do everything  in their power to win now. There are no guarantees in the NBA. One injury. One bad trade (KP). The Mavs have to make the most of it while they have Luka.

(06-07-2021, 07:26 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: Steven Adams also I think would be a good get if you are sending back salary (again Rich, Powell are candidates there). Adams doesn't fit next to Zion. Pels need to play fast and spread you out. Adams would work really well on the Mavs who play a deliberately slower pace.

Adams contract is pretty reasonable 17 x 2, you would even shave off some money if you sent back Powell and J Rich.

(06-07-2021, 09:35 PM)DallasBasketball Wrote: It’s hard to think of a reason not to do this. I’d have to believe Powell and Richardson’s depth as role players is more valuable than having a big man in the middle who *I think* can make a difference.

(06-07-2021, 08:27 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: This is probably the best article I've seen.  No idea if this is how they roll, but the article is very well thought out and not something we've spent time on (as opposed to regurgitating the same trades we've been making for the last month).  Not Plan Powder, but "Plan Booker".  

There isn't a requirement that the key player be DeRozan.  It can be any of the older guys who would take our money (my preference is Conley).  The 2023 draft will have passed by then and will put us in a better position with draft capital.

From a PR standpoint, we are getting a "name FA" this summer.  So we satisfy the fan base that wants us to "DO SOMETHING".  As I've said, you can argue that just one more good (not great) real NBA starter would have gotten us past LAC.  So, we would still be knocking on the door with a plan like this.  But the "real" plan is just to get us from here to 2024.

(06-07-2021, 09:50 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: J Rich I think wants out, that much is clear.

(06-07-2021, 09:24 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: See, I think it's more about the team's ability to maneuver in such a way where they are in position to deliver the team he wants/needs when he is truly aware enough to know it, right around when this coming extension is over (5 years, I think, if the 5th year of the extension is a player option). 

I don't think ANY amount of team success between now and then will matter much to him at that time if the roster isn't very flexible AT THAT TIME. Obviously, I'm not suggesting they don't TRY to put a great team out there in the meantime, but they need to make SMART decisions relative to timing. 

Maybe I'm wrong.

(06-07-2021, 11:35 PM)vfromlmf Wrote: Alternate take on KP.

Pitchforks are out and I get it. KP's an easy target. Highest paid Mav, supposed second fiddle averaged 13 and 5 in the playoffs. Not good enough, so Dallas lost.

Or is there more to the story? 

Remember, the Mavs weren't supposed to win this series. I think 25 of 25 ESPN pundits picked the Clippers, most in 5 or 6 games. Vegas favored them too. But Dallas stormed out to a 2-0 series lead and forced LA to make some major adjustments to their attack.

Key for Dallas was KP at center (where he does unicorn things) and the Clippers were simply overmatched. KP played well. He didn't post huge numbers, but who cares. Mavs were winning and KP was efficient with his scoring, positive +/- and the spacing was devastating to the Clippers defense. As a result, Luka rendered two of LA's key players unplayable, Beverly & Zubac.

Game 3 opened like the previous two, with Dallas racking up a huge lead against LA's starters. Then things changed. Lue said they finally figured out how to attack the Mavs by going small.

Let me reiterate this point. It looked like the Mavs might sweep the favored Clippers unless they drastically changed their strategy by pulling their center and going small. 

Now, does anyone remember the 2007 playoffs when Nelly's "We Believe" Warriors knocked off top seeded Mavs by going small? It felt SO bad because it seemed like Nelly built Dirk then exploited his only weakness. He tore Dirk down on the biggest stage. Nelly played small ball and it was Dirk's kryptonite.

Small ball was 2021 Mavs' kryptonite as well, but for different reasons. The 2007 Mavs needed Dirk to score but he couldn't get free against the Warriors switching defense. This year it was all about the Mavs defense. KP couldn't defend the rim so Carlisle had to go big, which moved KP from his unicorn position to forward where he is less effective. That also meant less Kleber and more Boban and WCS. Dallas lost 4 of the next 5 games.

So back to my original point and alternate take on KP. Dallas would have beaten the Clippers had they played straight up. They only lost when LA went small. Just like the Warriors series in '07. 

Good thing Dallas didn't just trade Dirk. Obviously, he figured out how to attack small ball. 

I'm willing to bet KP will figure it out too. He's already shown he can defend the rim. Maybe he just needs a little more time to recover from his surgery before he can do it consistently. He's still only 25. He'll get better and Dallas will add better defenders around him. If he does figure out how to play center against small ball lineups, watch out. This team is going to be a contender.