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Playoff Rotation - Smitty - 02-26-2024 So, I sorted through some lineup data and wanted to come up with a possible playoff rotation. There are 6 non-Luka minutes where they can play small ball. There are 8 non-Kyrie minutes where Exum is on the floor with either Gafford or Lively. I added available lineup data for both. First half: Kai______8____Exum___4___ Kai____________12_____________ Green____8____THJ____4___ Green_4___Exum__4__Green_4___ Luka__________12 _________ THJ___4___Luka________8_______ PJW______8____DJJ____4___ PJW___4___DJJ___4__PJW___4___ Live__4_Maxi__4_Gaff___4___ Maxi__4___Live___4__Maxi___4___ Second half: Kai______8____Exum___4___ Kai____________12______________ Green____8____THJ____4___ Green_4___Exum__4__Green__4___ Luka__________12_ ________ THJ_2__Luka_________10_________ PJW______8____DJJ____4___ PJW___4___DJJ___4___PJW___4___ Live__4_Maxi__4_Gaff___4___ Maxi_2_Live_____6____Maxi___4___ Total minutes: Kai 40 | Exum 8 Green 32 | THJ 8 | Exum 8 Luka 42 | THJ 6 PJW 32 | DJJ 16 Lively 18 | Maxi 22 | Gafford 8 Luka 42 Kai 40 Green 32 PJW 32 Lively 18 or 26 Maxi 22 Exum 16 DJJ 16 THJ 14 Gafford 8 or 0 1Q: Kai, Green, Luka, PJW, Lively - 4min - 51.0 NetRTG in 27min Kai, Green, Luka, PJW, Maxi - 4min - 14.3 NetRTG in 17min Exum, THJ, Luka, DJJ, Gafford - 4min - 17.6 NetRTG in 21min (4-man LU NetRTG since Exum hasn't played with Gafford | 5-man LU with Lively is 21.3 NetRTG in 39min) - (non-Kai lineup) 2Q: Kai, Green, THJ, PJW, Maxi - 4min - 87.5 NetRTG in 8min (non-Luka lineup) Kai, Exum, Luka, DJJ, Lively - 4min - 61.0 NetRTG in 26min Kai, Green, Luka, PJW, Maxi - 4min - 14.3 NetRTG in 17min 3Q: Kai, Green, Luka, PJW, Lively - 4min - 51.0 NetRTG in 27min Kai, Green, Luka, PJW, Maxi - 4min - 14.3 NetRTG in 17min Exum, THJ, Luka, DJJ, Gafford - 4min - 17.6 NetRTG in 21min (4-man LU NetRTG since Exum hasn't played with Gafford | 5-man LU with Lively is 21.3 NetRTG in 39min) - (non-Kai lineup) 4Q: Kai, Green, THJ, PJW, Maxi - 2min - 87.5 NetRTG in 8min (non-Luka lineup) Kai, Green, Luka, PJW, Lively - 2min - 51.0 NetRTG in 27min Kai, Exum, Luka, DJJ, Lively - 4min - 61.0 NetRTG in 26min Kai, Green, Luka, PJW, Maxi - 4min - 14.3 NetRTG in 17min RE: Playoff Rotation - KillerLeft - 02-26-2024 I want to see the team at full strength, including Exum, for a good 10 games before deciding what I think on this topic, but I have a feeling Hardaway is going to play a lot more than people want or think. RE: Playoff Rotation - Smitty - 02-26-2024 (02-26-2024, 12:36 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I want to see the team at full strength, including Exum, for a good 10 games before deciding what I think on this topic, but I have a feeling Hardaway is going to play a lot more than people want or think. I know you’re probably right about THJ. It’s just maddening! Luka with Tim: -7 Luka without Tim: +133 Lively with Tim: +23 Lively without Tim: +120 Green with Tim: -107 Green without Tim: +75 DJJ with Tim: -52 DJJ without Tim: +13 Kleber with Tim: -36 Kleber without Tim: +40 PJ with Tim: +11 PJ without Tim: +34 RE: Playoff Rotation - meistermatze - 02-27-2024 "Keep shooting, Timmy!" & "Ice, ice, ice" That's the quality of our coaching and you will see it in the resulting rotations. The other night was the final nail in my personal coffin on Kidd as a coach. His rotations were just ABSURD. I pray he is just experimenting, but at this point, we should be winning games for the standings and it should be obvious to anyone, that Lively has to play bigger minutes, Maxi/PJ-pairing looks great and Timmy should not see the court in meaningful (closing) minutes. Luka and Ky are offense enough, Surround them with any combination of Green, DJJ, PJ, Maxi, Lively, Exum and MAYBE Gafford (against a bruising big) and you'll be fine. I have no clue, what Timmy offers to add in those kind of situations. RE: Playoff Rotation - Jason Terry - 02-27-2024 Luka 40 Exum 8 Kyrie 40 Exum 8 Green 36 DJJ 8 Exum 4 PJ 36 Maxi 4 DJJ 8 Lively 30 Maxi 18 Starters: Luka Kyrie Green PJ Lively Bench: Maxi DJJ Exum With Gafford and Hardaway having anywhere from 5-10 min games to 25-30 depending on matchups. I could see games where either gets inserted into the main rotation for even a whole series I.e. Gafford would perhaps play big minutes against a team with size like Minnesota. Hardaway against a team packing the paint or if the offense needs a jolt with some shooting. But if teams like the Clippers are running us off the 3pt line Hardaway should sit. This all depends on health and how Exum looks when he returns RE: Playoff Rotation - ThisIStheYear - 02-27-2024 Playoffs? Lol. 50-50 right now. But given the coaching track record, most likely result is a play in miss. RE: Playoff Rotation - The Jom - 04-09-2024 What a difference 6 weeks makes! From today’s perspective, sure looks like Gafford will play a major role no matter the opponent, and THJ won’t. Plus Kidd’s incorporation of the new fellas looks like coach-of-the-year-type material. Talk about a mid-season makeover! RE: Playoff Rotation - fifteenth - 04-09-2024 These February and March posts are tough to read!! So glad the Mavs emerged from their trials with great talent additions, a workable plan and players that believe in each other! How about this a playoff rotation: Starters: Luka, Ky, DJJ, PJW, Gaf Bench: Exum, Lively, Maxi, THJ Maybe Josh instead of THJ, depending on how he plays when he's healthy What say you? RE: Playoff Rotation - The Jom - 04-09-2024 What says me: Yes to the above except . . . halfway through first series Exum replaces DJJ in the starting lineup and Josh bounces back to take essentially all of THJ’s minutes. RE: Playoff Rotation - DallasMaverick - 04-09-2024 (02-26-2024, 12:14 PM)Smitty Wrote: So, I sorted through some lineup data and wanted to come up with a possible playoff rotation. Doesn’t it kinda depend on matchups? And what the other team is doing? RE: Playoff Rotation - Smitty - 04-10-2024 (04-09-2024, 05:33 PM)DallasMaverick Wrote: Doesn’t it kinda depend on matchups? And what the other team is doing? Of course it does. This was an exercise weeks ago trying to show lineup data a build an 8-9 man rotation. I personally found it interesting trying to see it through the lens of the coaching staff. A lot has changed since this thread. Gafford for example was 8 min to 0 min. Green 30+ minutes. I don't see that being the case anymore... RE: Playoff Rotation - Smitty - 04-10-2024 Some lineups to note. Starting 5: Luka - Kia - DJJ - PJW - Gafford 162 min ORTG 115.7 DRTG 98.3 NETRTG 17.4 Non-Kai: Luka - Exum - THJ - Maxi - Lively 30 min ORTG 128.6 DRTG 94.1 NETRTG 34.5 Non-Luka: Kai - THJ - DJJ - PJW - Gafford 22 min ORTG 115.2 DRTG 91.7 NETRTG 23.6 Small ball: Luka - Kai - Exum - PJW - Maxi 36 min ORTG 135.4 DRTG 93.5 NETRTG 41.9 RE: Playoff Rotation - The Jom - 04-10-2024 Only the starting lineup has enough minutes to take real seriously. But still, those are eye-opening numbers. I especially like how your small-ball numbers seem to support the post I just stuck in a new thread about that group, but with DJJ in Exum’s spot. Maybe I was off by one player? RE: Playoff Rotation - mvossman - 04-10-2024 (04-10-2024, 12:26 PM)Smitty Wrote: Some lineups to note. I like the exercise although most of the lineups are obviously very small sample. I expect we will see more Lively and Green that what you are showing depending on health. RE: Playoff Rotation - Smitty - 04-10-2024 (04-10-2024, 12:56 PM)The Jom Wrote: Only the starting lineup has enough minutes to take real seriously. But still, those are eye-opening numbers. I especially like how your small-ball numbers seem to support the post I just stuck in a new thread about that group, but with DJJ in Exum’s spot. Maybe I was off by one player? They have been closing with Exum of late and he's more guard/small ball to me whereas DJJ is a 4/3 type player but here is the lineup data with the different "3's" Luka - Kai - - PJW - Maxi Exum - 36 min - ORTG 135.4 DRTG 93.5 NETRTG 41.9 DJJ - 18 min - ORTG 110.8 DRTG 57.9 NETRTG 52.9 THJ - 42 min - ORTG 107.4 DRTG 85.7 NETRTG 21.7 Green - 32 min - ORTG 120.3 DRTG 126.9 NETRTG -6.6 You can also play small with DJJ at the 4: Luka - Kai - Green - DJJ - Maxi (48min) ORTG 135.0 DRTG 106.3 NETRTG 28.8 RE: Playoff Rotation - The Jom - 04-10-2024 DRTG 57.9!!! Bwahahaha!!!!!!!!!!! RE: Playoff Rotation - Smitty - 04-10-2024 (04-10-2024, 01:12 PM)The Jom Wrote: DRTG 57.9!!! Bwahahaha!!!!!!!!!!! Yeah, this stuff is all extremely small sample size but it's all we have thanks to injuries and trades. RE: Playoff Rotation - DallasMaverick - 04-10-2024 (04-10-2024, 01:17 PM)Smitty Wrote: Yeah, this stuff is all extremely small sample size but it's all we have thanks to injuries and trades. Basically meaningless. RE: Playoff Rotation - Smitty - 04-10-2024 (04-10-2024, 01:20 PM)DallasMaverick Wrote: Basically meaningless. You always provide so much insight. Much appreciated. RE: Playoff Rotation - DallasMaverick - 04-10-2024 (04-10-2024, 01:21 PM)Smitty Wrote: You always provide so much insight. Much appreciated. No prob. Just didn’t want anyone getting too excited about any of those numbers. |