(10-11-2022, 08:58 PM)IamDougieFresh Wrote: My issue isn’t with Compazzo. He’s probably the best available PG right now.

The issue is either 1 of 2 things…

1. They thought that the 3rd ball handler wasn’t an issue until now.
2. They failed to think in the first place.

Either way it’s incompetence. If I can see that the Mavs have no ball handling depth from my couch, then what excuse do Nico, Kidd, Cuban, etc. have?

(10-11-2022, 09:49 PM)DallasMaverick Wrote: No objections.

(10-11-2022, 07:30 PM)RoyTarpleysGhost Wrote: He’s like Barea with worse shooting, no pick and roll skills, and a lack of finishing ability.  So yeah…

(10-11-2022, 08:58 PM)IamDougieFresh Wrote: My issue isn’t with Compazzo. He’s probably the best available PG right now.

The issue is either 1 of 2 things…

1. They thought that the 3rd ball handler wasn’t an issue until now.
2. They failed to think in the first place.

Either way it’s incompetence. If I can see that the Mavs have no ball handling depth from my couch, then what excuse do Nico, Kidd, Cuban, etc. have?

(10-11-2022, 08:58 PM)IamDougieFresh Wrote: My issue isn’t with Compazzo. He’s probably the best available PG right now.

The issue is either 1 of 2 things…

1. They thought that the 3rd ball handler wasn’t an issue until now.
2. They failed to think in the first place.

Either way it’s incompetence. If I can see that the Mavs have no ball handling depth from my couch, then what excuse do Nico, Kidd, Cuban, etc. have?

(10-11-2022, 11:35 PM)F Gump Wrote: In that regard, Brunson is very likely to end up being missed badly.

(10-11-2022, 11:35 PM)F Gump Wrote: I think there's been a 3rd - and more likely- scenario that has emerged, from the things that have transpired (and some hints from various reports over the summer) ...

3. When the summer started, the Mavs knew what had worked for them. They planned to continue to have 3 Playmakers to rotate (Luka, Brunson, SD). Then when Brunson went awry, they expected to find a different guy instead to be Playmaker 3. Dragic was their backup plan all along to be Playmaker 3, if they couldn't land someone better via trade. They couldn't. So Dragic it would be.

BUT THEN -- the Staff all went to Europe to see Luka play Euroball, where they all also watched GD play a lot and saw what level he's at now, and Kidd said "He's not what I want or need, because he can't defend anymore. If you sign him, I'm giving most of those minutes to Franky, Green, someone else, and Dragic will be my insurance policy if someone is out." They know they have to shoot straight with Dragic (ie, his agent, since it's also the agent for Luka), and when they tell him about GD being viewed as Playmaker 4 (ie, the Burke role, the insurance policy), then Dragic isn't interested in the job anymore.

Kidd doesn't want him. They can't BS the situation. Bye bye GD.

Are they suddenly changing course with Campazzo? IMO not at all - he is saying yes to accepting the job of Playmaker 4.

What about P 3 (the guy to rotate with Luka-SD, to get regular minutes and be a key part of the rotation)? Right now, it looks like he's not on the roster. Either he emerges from development, or they find a trade at some point, or they change course on their strategy and make do without a P 3. In that regard, Brunson is very likely to end up being missed badly.

(10-12-2022, 12:52 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: Mike Conley sitting available the midst of the UTA tankapalooza makes no sense why we aren't trying our hardest to grab him. Bojan didn't fetch a first and Conley's contract is worse.

He's a solid shooter and playmaker. His defense leaves a lot but Brunson wasn't a stalwart anyways. 

My only trade that sort of makes sense revolves around sending Powell and either Frank/Green to UTA, Timmy to the Nets and the Mavs get back Joe Harris and Conley. Trade is off by 300k but I think that's a rounding error.

(10-12-2022, 12:52 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: Mike Conley sitting available the midst of the UTA tankapalooza makes no sense why we aren't trying our hardest to grab him. Bojan didn't fetch a first and Conley's contract is worse.

He's a solid shooter and playmaker. His defense leaves a lot but Brunson wasn't a stalwart anyways. 

My only trade that sort of makes sense revolves around sending Powell and either Frank/Green to UTA, Timmy to the Nets and the Mavs get back Joe Harris and Conley. Trade is off by 300k but I think that's a rounding error.

(10-12-2022, 01:14 AM)F Gump Wrote: I would think Conley is super-available. Without a pick. Just send UT some expiring junk, and take him.

But the 2-year contract for Conley may be a deal-killer. He seems to be on his last legs. May not even be useful for the first year, it's hard to say.

And I don't see a trade match. Mavs don't have enough expiring contracts for UT. (I can't see BKN having any interest in that 3-way.)

(10-12-2022, 01:11 AM)IamDougieFresh Wrote: I'm a Kemba fan for a limited minutes guy who could step up and provide offense when Luka and Dinwiddie are out. The news on him is all you have to do to get him is offer a contract and Detroit will buy him out.

I also fail to see how Dragic couldn't get 20ish min per game with us. He will prove to still be a quality player with Lonzo out.

(10-12-2022, 01:26 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: My biggest problem with Kemba is his knees. He's on his 2nd contract buyout in 2 years. Thats enough to tell me the writing is on the wall and his NBA career is effectively done at this point.

(10-12-2022, 01:26 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: 1 In such a trade UTA gets 2 expirings (and I'd assume cash) which I think is more than enough for them.

2 The only rationale I have for the Nets is that Harris has been destroyed by injuries the last couple of years and is getting on in age. He's a knockdown shooter but can't necessarily defend well. He's also 31. Timmy is younger, a more dynamic scorer, and is on a descending contract. It's close enough in my head that the Nets *could* be interested. They're hurting for depth too. 

3 I just don't see a contending team with enough expiring's AND a role where Conley makes sense other than Dallas. Even if Conley declines he's way way better than any one else available.

(10-12-2022, 02:50 AM)F Gump Wrote: I think you missed my point completely. My basic issue is Mavs can't really cobble together what UT wants, while also meeting NBA rules.

I don't think UT demands are high. Likely just "matching salary, that's mostly expiring or very short term." But Conley's contract is too big so that the Mavs just don't have a fit to offer UT.

1 You mention cash. That makes no sense. It's not how NBA trades work, for the team taking on a bigger financial burden to also send cash to the team who gets the MUCH smaller financial obligations. Just taking Conley off his books would make Ainge elated imo.
2 I don't see BKN being interested in any way. I left them out of the evaluation of viability, since I don't see why they'd play.
3 The argument that there are no other teams interested, again, that's not my point that the Mavs would be unable to outbid competitors. My point is that they don't have the match.

Powell + ______ (Green or Franky) would be more than desirable swap in UT's eyes, I think, but that pkg, for Conley in return, is far short of satisfying NBA rules. And to some, Green is also significantly excess value for such a deal, where all that's desired is expiring junk.

There's one side issue, that could also be an obstacle to such a deal, which is the sizable salary increase for the Mavs, which would bloat Cuban's tax obligation. I think that's an issue to him, even if we don't evaluate in those terms, in light of how much he would pay vs how much (or how little) of a diff he might perceive Conley could make.

(10-12-2022, 05:27 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: This is why Clarkson is the play with Utah. Powell and Green/Frank for him. 


In other news, Jordan is looking to cut salary too. We have a way to make that happen. Powell, Bertans and Green/Frank for Hayward gives them lots of relief and players to help them tank. Gives us a wing AND playmaker at the same time. If Jordan wants more savings we can throw in a THJ for Rozier swap. Gives us more guard playmaking and slightly better defense. This seems like the more likely route to go instead of dealing with Ainge’s mind.

We then have Hayward fresh from a playoff run (hopefully, as long as he doesn’t have another season ending injury in the first 5 games of the season…) as an expiring contract with a full compliment of FRPs to dangle for OKC’s SGA in the offseason. After that we have any leftover picks and pick swaps and either Rozier or Dinwiddie for OG Anunoby. Just let the monkey do it, it’s that simple!