(07-15-2022, 12:11 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Not sure how true this is, but Cato seemed to imply the prize for Dallas in any NY sign and trade would've been Cam Thomas, but that Dallas didn't see that as worth the trouble. They wanted their pick back, apparently, but NY wouldn't go for it.

(07-15-2022, 12:20 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Doesn't Cam Thomas play for Brooklyn?

(07-15-2022, 12:23 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Sorry, I meant Cam Reddish.

(07-15-2022, 12:23 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Sorry, I meant Cam Reddish.

(07-15-2022, 12:25 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I missed that one.  Podcast or The Athletic?

(07-15-2022, 12:27 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: It was the Podcast that you guys were pointing out the other day, the 77 minutes after the covid hiatus. And, I had a tough time telling the voices apart, so it might have been the other guy who brought it up. They didn't really explicitly say much about Reddish, just kind of speculation that he might've been the piece that would've made sense.

(07-15-2022, 10:06 AM)Kammrath Wrote: MacMahon suggests that RC was the big factor of why the Mavs never succeeded on the free agency front for the decade after the title. He flat out says that stars did NOT want to play with him. He says JK is much different and guys want to play with him.

(07-15-2022, 12:29 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I did a long thread 'below the line'

(07-15-2022, 12:35 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: In an effort to completely control the narrative around here and unnecessarily censor people's thoughts and feelings (our primary goal), I had to sign a contract agreeing to never read anything 'below the line' or do anything against the wishes of Inspector General @"Kammrath". If I hadn't signed, I wouldn't get my weekly check from L Ron Cuban. 

(07-15-2022, 12:41 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I'll double your pay if you stop posting that weird-ass GIF.

(07-15-2022, 12:31 PM)HoosierDaddyKid Wrote: Sounds like passing the buck to me. Somebody has to take the blame. It wasn't all on RC either.

(07-15-2022, 12:23 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Sorry, I meant Cam Reddish.

(07-15-2022, 01:04 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: Quentin Grimes was the real prize

(07-15-2022, 11:20 AM)Kammrath Wrote: Dirk's impact on team winning was FAR better at 23 than Luka's has been. And to me that is the most important metric. I absolutely agree that Luka has a FAR higher ceiling than Dirk. But Dirk was the better TEAM player at this juncture. Once it "clicks" for Luka he has the chance to blitz and sprint past Dirk.

(07-15-2022, 01:04 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: Quentin Grimes was the real prize. I think they could have gotten him at the trade deadline at least. Out of all the PG/SGs on both teams, from this moment forward, I predict only Luka/Brunson will have a better NBA career. I think he´ll surpass whatever Burks, Rose, Quickley, Dinwiddie, THJ, Reddish will do for the rest of their careers. Barrett is a SF.

SL dominance was jus the natural progression of his strong rookie season. He´ll become the two-way off-ball guard the Mavs were looking for.

(07-15-2022, 12:35 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: In an effort to completely control the narrative around here and unnecessarily censor people's thoughts and feelings (our primary goal), I had to sign a contract agreeing to never read anything 'below the line' or do anything against the wishes of Inspector General @Kammrath. If I hadn't signed, I wouldn't get my weekly check from L Ron Cuban. 

(07-15-2022, 01:09 PM)mvossman Wrote: What is this based on?  To start with, Luka was 22 most of last season.  Second, Dirk didn't get to the WCF until his 5th season (24 years old) with a much better supporting cast (Finley and Nash).  Third, the best advanced metrics that go back that far say Luka was more impactful to winning.

(07-15-2022, 01:10 PM)MaxiThreeba Wrote: Even the salary slot is useful in trades.

(07-15-2022, 12:16 PM)cow Wrote: It's not a knock on Luka but threading the needle on a one way superstar like Luka is going to be challenging for any organization.  Curry has been bolstered by defensive stalwarts like Draymond or amazing two way players like Thompson.  And while the Mavs did this with Dirk, the free agency and trade market game has changed and we certainly haven't kept pace.  

I do think Donnie and Rick had a lot of blame in that regard but so far Nico and Kidd haven't faired any better and maybe worse.  Not getting conversations with big named free agents was a trend in recent history.  We couldn't even get a conversation with Jalen Brunson.  

And while we have hope for the Christian Wood pairing, no matter how well it works out this could be a very short term relationship.  In my head, even if Wood and Luka play well together, the Mavericks really aren't any better than last year, at least not more than marginally.  

I don't think Luka is going to ask out of Dallas anytime soon but we do need to start moving in the right direction.  We accomplished that last year but Jalen walked for nothing.  We can't keep spinning our tires.  The good news is that we will own all of our FRPs after next years draft and the Dwight Powell era will be over.  The bad news is that we still have Bertans terrible contract and Utah is asking for 6 picks for a player of Mitchell's caliber.  We'll never be able to afford that as we don't have a way of generating first round picks.  I'm just not seeing the path to getting off this treadmill.  KP was such a terrible decision by the previous MBT.

(07-15-2022, 01:27 PM)mvossman Wrote: I agree with most of this, but I think you are focusing a little too much on a Danny Ainge offer that was not even accepted.  The Jrue and Murray trades are the standard for what we want to do in the next two off seasons to be a contender.  Ideally we could have gotten there organically or at least built up some assets so we would not have to mortgage our entire future to make the trade, but due to this organizations constant failures that is where we are at.