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RE: MAVS NEWS: Mavs last in NBA in PIP, but first in our hearts - mvossman - 11-15-2023

(11-15-2023, 07:46 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: Powell has only played more than 15 MPG in a play-off series once in his whole Mavs career. It´s not like the coaches trusted him, when it really mattered. The Mavs were just a team of overachieving regular season specialists for the last 12 years. Everybody knew their overall talent level was never sufficient to do anything in the play-offs. This team might be different due to the massive difference Luka being in shape and Kyrie being well behaved could make. 

Some things though are still lacking and size/athletism are a huge part of it. 

Love Seth Curry, but he doesn´t even look like a steal at $4M. He looks like an 33 year old undersized SG that doesn´t have the quickness to get his shot off against longer players. He´s shooting 25% from the field and 17% from three. He´s virtually unplayable at the moment. I´d like to see some AJ Lawson in those situations. He clearly gains nothing from playing G-League anymore. Shot 59/50/100 in his seasonal debut there. He´s a career 40% 3pt shooter in the NBA too on a limited sample size. Right now the bar is playing better defense than Seth Curry and shooting better than 25/17/83.

The problem with Powell playoff usage during the WCF run is that he was starting and going against starting units, which is not ideal.  Its not like we had a lot of choice.  For all the grumbling folks are doing regarding our lack of size (mostly legit) its crazy how undersized that team was.  Our big rotation was Powell/Maxi.  That was it.  There was not another big on the roster.

Curry is looking like our worst signing this last offseason.  I was a little worried given it looked like he might already be falling off a cliff last season.  I think part of that signing was due to his history with Dallas, Luka and Kyrie.


RE: MAVS NEWS: Mavs last in NBA in PIP, but first in our hearts - SleepingHero - 11-16-2023

@sixfivelando
Derrick Jones Jr. has four 15+ point games this season. He has played in 12 games.

He had four 15+ point games the previous three seasons.


RE: MAVS NEWS: Mavs last in NBA in PIP, but first in our hearts - Chicagojk - 11-16-2023

Is it to early to admit being wrong about DJJ (me included)? Maybe it is a short sample but when he was announced as a starter, I had no idea he would be this good. It is a long season though.

Also, there was and were good posters here who said how Kidd handled Wood last year was a fireable offense. It looks like Wood is settling in as a 15 minute a game player (with the Lakers still missing Vanderbilt). We will see if that changes.

Lastly, right now would the Mavs lose a straight up Hardaway for Capela trade right now with how Hardaway has played so far this year?

Again, long season and these may not age well, but still.


RE: MAVS NEWS: Mavs last in NBA in PIP, but first in our hearts - DanSchwartzgan - 11-16-2023

(11-16-2023, 03:28 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: @sixfivelando
Derrick Jones Jr. has four 15+ point games this season. He has played in 12 games.

He had four 15+ point games the previous three seasons.

FWIW, that is the same number of 15+ point games as GWill has.  GWill has the higher per game scoring at 11.1 to DJJ's 9.7, but DJJ is better per minute played at 15.5 Per 36 compared to 13.9 for GWill.  Both have the exact same TS% at .648.


RE: MAVS NEWS: Mavs last in NBA in PIP, but first in our hearts - DanSchwartzgan - 11-16-2023

(11-16-2023, 08:30 AM)Chicagojk Wrote:  
Also, there was and were good posters here who said how Kidd handled Wood last year was a fireable offense.  It looks like Wood is settling in as a 15 minute a game player (with the Lakers still missing Vanderbilt).  We will see if that changes.
 


Wood in LA is a fascinating study.  He's playing almost exclusively at the four.  Either AD or Hayes is almost always in when he plays.  His personal numbers are basically career worst in most categories (especially offensive categories).  But, the team is winning his minutes by a massive margin.  LA is +7.2 when he's on the floor and the On-Minus-Off is +17.7.  The only other time that he's been an on-court positive in his career was that last season in Detroit where he also got most of his minutes at PF.    

The LA coaches have figured out how to make the team around Wood successful.  Given his history, I suspect the scoring efficiency and usage will eventually return.  Will that be a good thing from a team success perspective?  Obviously, the efficiency would be a good thing.  It will be interesting to see how his usage and the on-court success intertwine as things move forward.


RE: MAVS NEWS: Mavs last in NBA in PIP, but first in our hearts - Mavs2021 - 11-16-2023

(11-16-2023, 08:30 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: Is it to early to admit being wrong about DJJ (me included)?  Maybe it is a short sample but when he was announced as a starter, I had no idea he would be this good.    It is a long season though.

Also, there was and were good posters here who said how Kidd handled Wood last year was a fireable offense.  It looks like Wood is settling in as a 15 minute a game player (with the Lakers still missing Vanderbilt).  We will see if that changes.

Lastly, right now would the Mavs lose a straight up Hardaway for Capela trade right now with how Hardaway has played so far this year?

Again, long season and these may not  age well, but still.

Yeah DJJ´s level of play is really shocking in a positive way. But damn do we need it. 

I did a little digging into that 37 minute zero pointer from Josh Green. That was statistically one of the most empty games in NBA history. 

The record for minutes played without a point is shared by Wilson Chandler, Dennis Rodman and Horace Grant at 48 minutes, but if you simply add up all other boxscore categories (REB, AST, BLKS. STLS) their total comes out to 12, 28, 19, so they contributed in other areas. The only guys that had similar empty stats to Green´s numbers are Ricky Davis against the defending NBA champion Detroit Pistons that won 64 games and ranked #1 in every defensive category and Isaac Okoro against the shitty 2020 Detroit Pistons.

So all things considered (stats, pace, opposition) this game by Josh Green was an all-timer only matched by Isaac Okoro. I actually think we are witnessing history here. Imagine if you could have seen MJ vs. LeBron in their primes or Shaq vs. Wilt. Well as far as empty boxscores are concerned we have their full primes to watch them battle it out for the EMPTY boxscore GOAT: Okoro vs. Green. Never met a shot they liked. Never seen a rebound they couldn´t grab. Undecided


RE: MAVS NEWS: Mavs last in NBA in PIP, but first in our hearts - BigDirk41 - 11-16-2023

Omax is a project at this point. I don't think he deserves any comparison to Lively. Lively seized the moment and Omax has not. Omax has the tools and size to succeed, but he's all potential right now. Lively is actively contributing to a playoff team. They aren't in the same conversation and that's ok. We all hope Omax will get there.


RE: MAVS NEWS: Everyone available for MIL tomorrow but Kleber - SleepingHero - 11-17-2023

Kyrie Irving (left foot) is expected to return to the Mavericks' lineup tomorrow in Milwaukee after missing the second half of a back-to-back Wednesday in Washington, Dallas coach Jason Kidd said after practice today.
Irving and Tim Hardaway Jr. both practiced with no issues.


RE: MAVS NEWS: Mavs last in NBA in PIP, but first in our hearts - MrGoat - 11-18-2023

(11-16-2023, 09:08 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Wood in LA is a fascinating study.  He's playing almost exclusively at the four.  Either AD or Hayes is almost always in when he plays.  His personal numbers are basically career worst in most categories (especially offensive categories).  But, the team is winning his minutes by a massive margin.  LA is +7.2 when he's on the floor and the On-Minus-Off is +17.7.  The only other time that he's been an on-court positive in his career was that last season in Detroit where he also got most of his minutes at PF.    

The LA coaches have figured out how to make the team around Wood successful.  Given his history, I suspect the scoring efficiency and usage will eventually return.  Will that be a good thing from a team success perspective?  Obviously, the efficiency would be a good thing.  It will be interesting to see how his usage and the on-court success intertwine as things move forward.

I always thought the 4 was his natural position. He has decent length but he's really too small to be a full time 5. His best defensive attribute is weak side shot blocking which matches more with being a PF. I think he gets pigeonholed in the 5 too often because he has old school post moves in his arsenal

Mavs are not officially eliminated from the tournament after tonight's game but they still need a ridiculous number of things to go right even if they beat the Rockets by an outrageous margin


RE: MAVS NEWS: Everyone available for MIL tomorrow but Kleber - SleepingHero - 11-18-2023

2 mins highlights of Luka and Lively connection

https://streamable.com/8gfsyf


RE: MAVS NEWS: Everyone available for MIL tomorrow but Kleber - Chicagojk - 11-18-2023

So why is the D trending backwards? Do you think this team currently constructed can get to league average? With their offense, things could get really interesting if they find a way to get to 15th in defense.

Do you think the more Lively and some of the newer players play together they can fill in the gaps?


RE: MAVS NEWS: Everyone available for MIL tomorrow but Kleber - MrGoat - 11-18-2023

(11-18-2023, 05:27 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: So why is the D trending backwards?  Do you think this team currently constructed can get to league average?  With their offense, things could get really interesting if they find a way to get to 15th in defense.   

Do you think the more Lively and some of the newer players play together they can fill in the gaps?

Our D isn't trending backwards. Our D was trash last season which is one of the reasons we faceplanted so hard, we're actually averaging slightly better defense than last season. It's our O taking a huge step forward that has things looking better. Having a real center like Lively has been huge on both ends. Luka doesn't need to be nearly as precise to get him the ball down low as he has with our other centers and really we should be looking for him even more. Grant Williams actually being able to hit an open 3 unlike last year's versions of Bullock or DFS is helping too


RE: MAVS NEWS: Everyone available for MIL tomorrow but Kleber - SleepingHero - 11-19-2023

(11-18-2023, 05:27 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: So why is the D trending backwards?  Do you think this team currently constructed can get to league average?  With their offense, things could get really interesting if they find a way to get to 15th in defense.   

Do you think the more Lively and some of the newer players play together they can fill in the gaps?

I think for all of DJJ's positive moments this season, this team is sorely missing a strong defensive wing. He's athletic as hell but I wouldn't call his on ball defense elite. On top of that when he is scoring the team looks radically different.

A guy like OG for example would radically transform this team and would probably fix our defensive woes as we'd have at least 3 positive defenders in Grant, OG, and Lively on the court. 

Advanced stats are fools gold, but there is something to be said of the trend that the Mavs go from a top 5 net rating to last in the league when Lively sits. Powell just doesn't cut it against the majority of teams in the league. I'd say weather the storm until Maxi comes back but he's looked horrific this year. 

It's the reason why I've been so vocal about trying to target a guy like Drummond, who while isn't known for his defense, is a rare big that can move his feet on the perimeter and rebound well. My biggest concern about Drummond is his inability to take schemes and overall basketball seriously. He's never been on an elite team, and I think there's something to that. The Dwight Howard conundrum if you will.

An alternative backup center could be Kelly Olynyk, but he'd violate trade rule #1 and that is don't trade with Danny Ainge. An under the radar target would be Sandro Mamukelashvili on the Spurs. 6'9, 240lbs. 

He's closer to a Maxi archetype than Powell but the fact I'm debating whether or not he'd even be better than Powell makes me pause on trading for him in the first place. 

2 pieces needed to make this team a real serious threat come April. If Nico can somehow pull an OG while keeping most of the core then you got to run with it. Green+Hardy are on the table as well as the 2027 first.


RE: MAVS NEWS: Everyone available for MIL tomorrow but Kleber - DanSchwartzgan - 11-19-2023

(11-19-2023, 02:51 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: 2 pieces needed to make this team a real serious threat come April. If Nico can somehow pull an OG while keeping most of the core then you got to run with it. Green+Hardy are on the table as well as the 2027 first.


OG is CAA.  He won't extend.  There is NO WAY Dallas will trade for him and be subject to him walking this summer.  A trade this summer?  Maybe.  But, it won't happen in season.  Might as well let that one go.

BTW, I do think Olynyk would help. I don't think Drummond does much for us. He won't be able to stay on the floor in the playoffs any more than Powell. He's just a different kind of mediocre.


RE: MAVS NEWS: Everyone available for MIL tomorrow but Kleber - ItsGoTime - 11-19-2023

Ya, I really don’t get the argument against bringing in a higher quality C, all because it might break some unseen fragile psyche in Lively. If Lively can’t outplay the type of C we should get to keep this team competitive, he doesn’t deserve the spot, plain and simple. He’s young, plenty of time to earn it back, and if he doesn’t because of a frailty of mind, good to know before we get to the playoffs!

What is it other than being tall with long arms, hustle, and ability execute the coaching he’s received (not wanting to downplay this) does he have that requires him to be the starter? I don’t think his growth is stunted if he gets minutes off the bench. Coming off the bench on what would be a sure-fire playoff team (because if we had a BETTER C in front of him, this team is pretty bonkers IMO) as a rookie is not in any way a slight. His minutes don’t even need to decrease necessarily (depending on the incoming C).

In the playoffs, he’d be great to get some time as experience off the bench, as opposed to needing to be a starter against teams that will most definitely get him in foul trouble. Getting more chance (in later rounds) to experience and adapt in actual games would certainly be better for him (getting to later rounds because we get a higher seed, and we have better C play throughout the early rounds).

How much bigger a boost would it be for him to face the adversity of being challenged for the starting spot and eventually earn it, as opposed to getting the starting spot by default like he is currently?


RE: MAVS NEWS: Everyone available for MIL tomorrow but Kleber - Chicagojk - 11-19-2023

I am out of the loop on trading for a center. Is there a center you have in mind? The issue is the mavs don’t have many assets or expirings. So for any starting level center they most likely use up valuable assets. I am in the mind of keeping your assets for that big wing while trying to pick up a stopgap at center if the team feels Holmes can’t help them.

Vucevic? He probably won’t cost a ton. But again the mavs don’t have an expiring or extra picks. Chicago would probably hold out for an unprotected first from us. If they don’t get it, I am sure another team could beat our offer.


RE: MAVS NEWS: Everyone available for MIL tomorrow but Kleber - ItsGoTime - 11-19-2023

(11-19-2023, 09:34 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: I am out of the loop on trading for a center.  Is there a center you have in mind?  The issue is the mavs don’t have many assets or expirings.  So for any starting level center they most likely use up valuable assets.  I am in the mind of keeping your assets for that big wing while trying to pick up a stopgap at center if the team feels Holmes can’t help them.

Vucevic?  He probably won’t cost a ton.  But again the mavs don’t have an expiring or extra picks.  Chicago would probably hold out for an unprotected first from us.  If they don’t get it, I am sure another team could beat our offer.
I was just looking at Vuc. I do think if he could model his career arc to match Brook Lopez, he would be amazing here (mostly scorer to mostly defender). He was the starting C for the #5 defense in the league last year. So there might be a little hope?

My post was about finding a player to at least match what we get from Lively, and trying to figure out what he does that is beyond what bringing in a hard working tall C with good instincts is. It was meant to slow that snowball roll of “Lively is a starter, period”. If Lively is the better choice to start? GREAT! Bravo! Just give him competition, cause as of now, there is not 1 C (even Maxi) that is competition for the starting spot. I also don’t really care about the actual competition, I care about having much more of the things Lively does for this team on the court for much more than half the game.

As far as a list of guys I think fit what I’m talking about? I posted one previously. I could add Vuc to it due to how available (and relatively cheap) I think he might be as a try out. Each has varying degrees of availability, impact and cost and none of them are in order of want. Gafford, Hartenstein, Capela, Vuc, Stewart, Allen, and Zubac. Get 1 of those guys, and I’m willing to give the 27 (or at this point Green), and I think we’re a ton closer to championship contenders. I’m sure there are others that would fit, especially some of the younger players, Sims is intriguing to me for instance.

Get the correct starting SF in the offseason when we have even more ammo than now to do so and next season I think we compete with the best teams in the league as sure-fire contenders.


RE: MAVS NEWS: Everyone available for MIL tomorrow but Kleber - KillerLeft - 11-19-2023

(11-19-2023, 06:35 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: OG is CAA.  He won't extend.  There is NO WAY Dallas will trade for him and be subject to him walking this summer.  A trade this summer?  Maybe.  But, it won't happen in season.  Might as well let that one go.

BTW, I do think Olynyk would help.  I don't think Drummond does much for us.  He won't be able to stay on the floor in the playoffs any more than Powell.  He's just a different kind of mediocre.

That’s a helpful reminder about OG. I think the impending contractual stuff is a major factor with both he and Siakim, and you’re probably right that the Mavs will steer clear. I have a feeling that Siakim is actually going to GET the big contract and that OG is going to seem relatively cheap by comparison, but I’m not sure. 

I agree that Olynyk would help a ton. However, would he be better than Kleber, IF Kleber was healthy and playing well? A little more offensive versatility (very helpful, actually) and (I’m guessing) he’s better on the glass. Both space the floor, but don’t we feel like Kleber would be the more impactful defender? I realize it has become gospel around here to say Kleber is washed, but I’m just not ready to declare that.


RE: MAVS NEWS: Everyone available for MIL tomorrow but Kleber - Chicagojk - 11-19-2023

(11-19-2023, 10:16 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: I was just looking at Vuc. I do think if he could model his career arc to match Brook Lopez, he would be amazing here (mostly scorer to mostly defender). He was the starting C for the #5 defense in the league last year. So there might be a little hope?

My post was about finding a player to at least match what we get from Lively, and trying to figure out what he does that is beyond what bringing in a hard working tall C with good instincts is. It was meant to slow that snowball roll of “Lively is a starter, period”. If Lively is the better choice to start? GREAT! Bravo! Just give him competition, cause as of now, there is not 1 C (even Maxi) that is competition for the starting spot. I also don’t really care about the actual competition, I care about having much more of the things Lively does for this team on the court for much more than half the game.

As far as a list of guys I think fit what I’m talking about? I posted one previously. I could add Vuc to it due to how available (and relatively cheap) I think he might be as a try out. Each has varying degrees of availability, impact and cost and none of them are in order of want. Gafford, Hartenstein, Capela, Vuc, Stewart, Allen, and Zubac. Get 1 of those guys, and I’m willing to give the 27 (or at this point Green), and I think we’re a ton closer to championship contenders. I’m sure there are others that would fit, especially some of the younger players, Sims is intriguing to me for instance.

Get the correct starting SF in the offseason when we have even more ammo than now to do so and next season I think we compete with the best teams in the league as sure-fire contenders.

Stewart is interesting.   He is someone I liked in the past.  I am not sure he is exactly what I am looking for now though.  Plus, I think the GM has a long history with his family so I am not sure if he would be one of the first guys they look to move.

When I think about finishing up the building of the roster over the next year or so, here is what I envision...in addition to the youngster hopeful growth.   Maybe this player can be one player, but maybe two solid B players would be the better fit?

1) Maxi type player but 20% better.   A guy who can play some five but also guard a little on the perimeter while stretching the floor.   This is who I view as the Lively backup in time.   Envision the Maxi from 3-4 years ago (but a little better) pairing with Grant for stretches.   Grant can use his strength on the center and Maxi can be the off ball shot blocker.  Plus, both can spread the floor.

2) Taller than 6'8 wing who mostly can match up against perimeter wings but can also chip in with 6-7 rebounds.   Unless the Mavs get really lucky this would be where you probably need to spend several assets to get.   You are probably looking for a salary over 20 million per year. I think this is a must have. In addition to the development of our youngsters. They need a guy and a wave following to throw at the elite scorers to make them work for their points. They need this to be a contender.


RE: MAVS NEWS: Everyone available for MIL tomorrow but Kleber - surfpuckmd - 11-19-2023

The EPM data for this season is now available.  It's the first good advanced metric data I've seen for this season.  It's interesting.  According to EPM...

Luka  + 4.3 
Kyrie + 3.3         
THJ  +0.3     
Lively    -0.2     
Grant Williams  - 0.6     
DJJ    - 1.1       
Hardy  - 1.6     
DP -1.7
Exum  - 3.4             
Kleber   -4.3               
Seth   - 4.9     
Josh Green    -4.9

Luka and Kyrie have been great. THJ and Lively have been pretty good. DJJ and Grant have been solid. DP has not been bad. The rest of our rotation has been really weak. I'm surprised by the Exum data as I thought he's looked pretty good.   Josh Green's data supports a lot of the board's opinion about Green this season and it's worse than I personally anticipated.  I do think Green will improve as the season goes on.   In other interesting results, Reggie Bullock is among the worst players in the NBA at - 6.3.  

Among opportunities to improve, here are some players (with their EPM) who might actually be available for trade at this time:

Alex Caruso  + 2.1
Deni Avdija    + 1.1
Zach Collins   + 0.6
Vucevic   - 0.4
Drummond   - 0.5
Gafford  - 1.2

All of these players would be upgrades on our roster.   

A few other interesting figures:

Holmgren + 5.0 and Wemby at -0.9.     Holmgren is a top-10 player already on EPM and one of the most impressive rookies the league has seen in a long time.  

Jerami Grant at -2.3 and Christian Wood at -3.0.   Grant with a defensive rating of -2.1 might not be the upgrade we wish.  Christian Wood has not been effective this season so I won't bring him up again.

All of this data is early but interesting.  It's mostly consistent with the eye test with a few surprises.