(09-26-2023, 05:31 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Mavs basically picked best on/off rating available in the draft. O-Max ranked 1st overall in all of college basketball. Lively 8th.
All mighty +/- might be the reason why they ended up on the Mavs roster.

(09-26-2023, 03:56 AM)omahen Wrote: Based on this your only hope would be that Luka values loyalty to Dallas more than winning. Because, you are really not offering him much more than "we really, really, really will not screw up this time. Scouts honour".

(09-26-2023, 05:31 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Mavs basically picked best on/off rating available in the draft. O-Max ranked 1st overall in all of college basketball. Lively 8th.

(09-26-2023, 05:45 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Question for the old heads:

Who was the German poster from the old days...the one who had that gnarly skull as his avatar and who grew to hate the Mavs for "wasting Dirk's career?"

(09-26-2023, 05:37 PM)mvossman Wrote:

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Do you think Luka was unhappy with this offseason?

(09-26-2023, 07:08 PM)omahen Wrote: I wonder. If things don't go as you think they will and Luka asks out. Will you accept that because their moves were the only ones that make sense? 

(09-26-2023, 07:41 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Can't speak for anyone else, but I was so depressed and hopeless about this team last season, and so thrilled to see them finally start to add younger talent, presumably building towards something, that yes, if Luka asks out after this year, I'll still be alright with this summer. It's not what I hope happens, obviously, but then again, I don't want to keep duct taping teams around him, either. They finally did what they probably should've started doing the moment Giannis signed that extension. From my POV, better late than never. 

I was on the verge of giving up on the Mavs, even with Luka. Now, I think there would be a glimmer of hope for someone following them even after he leaves (which I don't expect to happen, honestly). 

At least there's something to look forward to, now. Some kind of hope.

(09-26-2023, 07:08 PM)omahen Wrote: Difficult to say. I can't say he was unhappy, but I also can't say he is exactly screaming from joy. He would probably prefer to see the on-court result instead of just projections. But, I think it is very certain he will be very unhappy if they will miss the playoffs again. We can go on and on about what we think, but I am far less convinced than you that this team is a certain playoff team. Also basically all objective projections are puting Mavs in play-in race. None of the teams above them from last season really got (much) worse and several from below got stronger. Denver, Memphis, Sacramento, Clippers, GSW, Minny are very similar than last season. Phoenix is probably better. OKC is certainly better and who knows, perhaps even Pelicans will get some longer stretch of healthy Zion (otherwise same as last year). Houston and probably also SA are better than last season, Portland will likely be around where they were or worse. Utah is probably worse. 

As for the assets. I don't think trading 2027 pick mortgages Mavs future in a serious way. They don't need a player that will cost 3 FRP. They need right role players next to their stars. Unprotected FRP could get two of those. Getting a solid center is not blocking any rookie development, as Powell and Holmes would be the ones losing minutes. A better defensive wing then THJ would also not hurt. 

I think the statement to do a trade to satisfy Omahen was very out of line, not needed at all. Of course it has nothing to do about me. They need to manage risk of Luka becoming unhappy. Every account says that Luka is an extreme competitor who values winning above everything. Besides, he is also a sore loser.

I wonder. If things don't go as you think they will and Luka asks out. Will you accept that because their moves were the only ones that make sense? Things going wrong include both on-court production as well as injuries, Irving doing off-court Irving things and missing time and similar.

(09-26-2023, 05:31 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Mavs basically picked best on/off rating available in the draft. O-Max ranked 1st overall in all of college basketball. Lively 8th.
All mighty +/- might be the reason why they ended up on the Mavs roster.

(09-26-2023, 08:41 PM)mvossman Wrote: Your replying to me, but not sure what your referencing regarding "trade to satisfy Omahen"?

You say we don't need 3 first round picks for a trade next offseason.  That may be true.  But we are talking about our only tradable pick in the next 4 years.  Do we really want to spend it on a stop gap center that will make us a little better for a year or two?

Luka has 3 more years before his option year.  We have some time.  I feel like what they did this offseason has way more chance of long term success that will entice him to hang around then going the Cleveland route of spending every asset we have for short term success.

(09-26-2023, 08:50 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: Yes, and neither ours nor any other FO gets it wrong. Let’s not be so quick to scoreboard when there is very little evidence of success. I think and hope they will do very well also. That doesn’t mean a thing though. What does mean a thing? Wins, the ultimate stat.

(09-26-2023, 07:47 PM)omahen Wrote: Point I am trying to make - trading 2027 pick I think greatly reduces the risk of that extreme scenario to happen, while Mavs will still have plenty of assets moving forward.

(09-26-2023, 09:21 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I guess, sure. But only if there’s a deal worth making. I haven’t seen/heard definitively that they’ve found such a deal and turned it down. I know you’re intelligent, so surely you don’t think trading it just to show Luka “hey, we did something” is a good idea.

(09-26-2023, 08:56 PM)omahen Wrote: Sorry, it was Scottforthemavs. 

That pick being the only tradeable one is true for this season only. There will be plenty of assets available next season. And yes, I think a good center would make this team much better. I don't agree Mavs have much time. Unhappy players demand trades on a very regular basis these days.

(09-26-2023, 09:27 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: Have we seen any of the specifics around the Ayton or Capela rumored talks? I’m with you on not wanting Ayton, but the only thing we have to go on is the report that what we offered was underwhelming (to put it nicely). Everyone knows I would have included the 27 in order to save the Green or Hardy inclusion for the Capela deal.

(09-27-2023, 09:10 AM)IamDougieFresh Wrote: https://www.mavs.com/hardyreadyforseason/