(07-11-2022, 03:54 PM)mvossman Wrote: My problem with this mentality is that when this mistake is repeated regularly you start running into cap and tax issues and next thing you know the owner is letting the second best player on the team walk because he is choking on the tax bill (I'm not saying that is the only reason Brunson walked).  When we continually do unnecessary contracts like Powell, Burke, Brown, Boban, McGee it adds up.

(07-11-2022, 04:24 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Still time to turn Powell/Green into a rotation-worthy non-center, so I’ll keep hoping.

(07-11-2022, 04:18 PM)cow Wrote: Someone being on the roster on a bad contract doesn't mean you shouldn't try to bolster the position group.  Brunson leaving is kind of an arbitrary bullet point.  

Powell might have some value as an expiring contract as part of a salary match in a bigger deal but you aren't just going to get rid of him for nothing.

(07-11-2022, 04:28 PM)Winter Wrote: Most of these threads the last few days are just rampant with speculation.

(07-11-2022, 04:28 PM)Winter Wrote: This is all pretty weird if you think about. I'm not calling you out at all KillerLeft, but I need to state the obvious here.

Most of these threads the last few days are just rampant with speculation. We are speculating on a head coaching change less than a year old, a Front Office less than a year old, and players under contract who have never played together in a system we are only vaguely familiar with. 

I realize this is what message boards do. But the last few days, it's hard to call most of these posts well-grounded opinions. There's almost no history to the Mavericks coaches, front office, or several players. We're all just imagining what it will be like, then getting overly morose about outcomes we can't possibly predict.

I have no good idea how these guys will play together, don't feel particularly informed about Kidd's "system" right now, and haven't really seen enough of Wood or McGee to tell you exactly what these guys will bring. Since we got to the WCF last season, I'll at least give the coaches a chance of putting together the pieces they choose without gnashing my teeth. 

I get that Free Agency has been historically bad for the Mavericks, but I feel we chewed all the flavor out of that gum two weeks ago. 

Honestly, I'm at a point where I expect one more trade so I keep checking the wire and reading the posts. But it's getting downright apocalyptic in here.

(07-11-2022, 04:30 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: This doesn’t really address my point. It’s about roster balance.

WITH THE ROSTER IN ITS CURRENT STATE, both McGee and Powell are in their top 9, so both will get played. If not, there is no way they can exist without DEPENDING on one of Green, Ntilikina, Hardy or whomever mystery guest #15 is. Let’s say Dorsey for holding the place. 

And, they CERTAINLY can’t get away with not player EITHER McGee or Powell, no matter how much they might want to. At least one of them, and probably both, are going to see the floor, imho.

…without some sort of additional roster shakeup. I’m going to keep praying.

(07-11-2022, 04:30 PM)Kammrath Wrote:

(07-11-2022, 04:34 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: The “wait until the end of the off-season” part of your point is valid, but as you say, this is what we do. I’ve tried to be careful to qualify everything with “in the roster’s current state,” etc. But sure - there’s still time. 

As far as how the current pieces fit together, I disagree that we can’t make the assumptions I’m making. Maybe I’m not doing a good enough job of articulating my concerns, but I feel like I can see problems coming from a mile away.

(07-11-2022, 04:40 PM)Winter Wrote: For the record, I sense this from several posters. And I have seen it worse on other message boards. 

In a nutshell, I think there's an exaggerated sense of dread when there's little evidence. I don't see this as a "dissenting opinion".

(07-11-2022, 04:40 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Idk man. You’ve been saying another move is coming. You say that every summer. If/when it happens, you’ll claim victory. If/when it doesn’t, you’ll say it wasn’t needed. 

Tear my opinions down if it makes you feel better, but I stick by what I think, and I don’t change my narrative later. 

(07-11-2022, 04:49 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: You’re fine, my guy. There is not over a decade of baggage with us, so don’t read too much into my tone - I intend it to be affable and amicable. I’m happy to engage with you about anything/everything - it’s fun, and you’re smart.

Again, it is factual that the roster isn’t complete, so that part is valid. 

It is also factual that currently, BOTH McGee and Powell are in the Mavs’ top 9. In my opinion, this likely means MORE of what people didn’t like about Powell’s playoff minutes, not less, whether they realize it now or not. It is an opinion based somewhat on speculation, sure, but both of those elements are applied resposibly pretty educated.

(07-11-2022, 04:49 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: There is not over a decade of baggage with us

(07-11-2022, 04:40 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Idk man. You’ve been saying another move is coming. You say that every summer. If/when it happens, you’ll claim victory. If/when it doesn’t, you’ll say it wasn’t needed. 

Tear my opinions down if it makes you feel better, but I stick by what I think, and I don’t change my narrative later. I admit when I was wrong, but I feel I’ve been right about a lot of what I’ve written about these past few years.

I don’t know why dissenting opinions bother people so much. I am not trying to be gratuitously negative, I’m just engaging with my reactions to what they’re doing. And again, I’ve been on of the most Mavs-positive contributors here, historically. It’s basically just this off-season and the one in 2011 that have bothered me.

(07-11-2022, 04:59 PM)Winter Wrote: My response to that in particular is that there's no way for me to know how McGee is supposed to work in this offense. Kidd and Nico obviously see something. On the other hand, I had several years to think about Powell's flaws.

(07-11-2022, 05:06 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: And that makes you an angel. How many times has this board been convinced that the Mavs would make a big move or sign a big free agent. Answer. More often than I can count. Plan Powder broke me and the way this board continued to fall for the same narrative every single offseason made it worse. Final straw was the Giannis chase. I was ready to rip off heads. Still am if someone mentions the word flexibility, capspace or powder.

(07-11-2022, 04:59 PM)Winter Wrote: See, that's a perfectly stated opinion. All Fine.

My response to that in particular is that there's no way for me to know how McGee is supposed to work in this offense. Kidd and Nico obviously see something. On the other hand, I had several years to think about Powell's flaws.

(07-11-2022, 05:15 PM)cow Wrote: We are going to have to pay more or offer more years to get the free agents willing to look our way which is why Crowder isn't here and McGee is.

(07-11-2022, 04:24 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: If they move Powell for a wing or a PG, we’ll all be much closer to common ground again. 

I’m 99% sure the majority of folks arguing with @"mvossman", @"dirkfansince1998" and myself simply haven’t thought through the future implications of what we’re seeing enough to realize how mad they could potentially be when this plays out. 

@"DanSchwartzgan" gets it, I think. With the information available at this time concerning roster balance, they’re setting themselves up for their DEFAULT to be a 4-big rotation (wood, McGee, Kleber AND Powell). This might NOT be the end of Powell, as most are assuming. I believe this is what Dan has been hoping they’d do, that’s the difference. I think it’s the worst possible direction they could’ve chosen.

Still time to turn Powell/Green into a rotation-worthy non-center, so I’ll keep hoping.

(07-11-2022, 05:12 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: And on top of all that, I’m honestly worried (speculation, as again, I admit they aren’t done yet) that they’re positioning themselves to need to play BOTH of them.

(07-11-2022, 05:20 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Mavs reality but just hard to accept when it feels like other teams are getting the same players on bargain deals. McGee signed the 2nd biggest contract of his career. Also the second multi year deal since the end of his rookie contract. Since his last stint in Dallas he was on one year deals every single season. And on top of that they have to promise him a starting role. Hard to stomach...