(07-20-2023, 11:23 PM)F Gump Wrote: I have a problem with the results, and you should too, when they tell us they see the massive hole we see, and tell us it's their top priority to get fixed for next year - and then don't deliver. That's not a Stein problem, it's a Mavs FO problem. 

And it's doubly bad when it's the same issue (the lack of interior defensive presence and rebounding) one year (2021-22 playoffs), then instead of getting it fixed they put a bad band-aid on it (McGee) which of course proves inadequate, then say again after that season they will DEFINITELY get it fixed really well this time --  and again do basically nothing (another band-aid, plus add a kid who won't be that much help at all this year).

It's not PR. It's either an innate inability to tell the truth, or an utter incompetence at doing what is needed. 

And by the way, don't believe the spin that they might have something coming down the road later this summer -- that is a recurring ploy they use when they haven't done the job, we see they haven't, free agency is done, and they want to kick the can down the road on the issue until we hopefully forget. I was looking back and they have been doing this over and over, year after year, when we see the big hole that they failed to address in free agency, and they don't have an answer. Last year they used Cato and Skin to play the game for them (wittingly or unwittingly, I couldn't say), and this year it's Stein and MacMahon.

(07-20-2023, 10:58 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: It just seems like nothing short of three new players, all of whom belong in the top 6 of a playoff rotation, would’ve satisfied you. I never, ever, for even one second thought that was a remotely possible goal for this summer, given what assets they had at hand. Moreover, I don’t think that’s a super common summer for ANY team with ANY level of front office and ANY amount of assets to work with. Maybe OKC could pull that off by spending everything, idk. 

Maybe @dirkfansince98 has a point. Maybe the Mavs PR machine is their own worst enemy, because it seems like all this angst is coming right from what Stein said.

(07-20-2023, 11:41 PM)omahen Wrote: I said before the season that I am done with Mavs if they don't bring two credible starters. Stein and Mavs PR have nothing to do with that. I think a credible starter costs less than one FRP, so lack of assets can't be an excuse. It was their choice not to turn #10 into a starter level player. I think a goal I set is high, but not unrealistic. After years of incompetence, I want more than just more of the same to prove to me it is worth spending my time following Mavs. I know no one cares if I watch Mavs or not. This is just my personal condition. I really don't want to spend my time on anything mediocre. 

As it is, me being intentionally very rough with my words, Mavs brought GW, who I can accept as one starter. Problem is with the rest, as they basically just replaced a bunch of end of bench guys with another bunch of end of bench guys. New guys might be better end of bench guys, they might have more future potential, but they are still just end of bench guys. Exception might be Holmes, if he can revive himself. But I can't just put my rose glasses on and think Holmes, who wasn't good enough for Sacramento, will all of a sudden become valuable contributor. I am affraid core of the team remains the same unit that didn't work last season. For example, I don't think you can come near to respectable defense if you play THJ next to Luka and Kyrie. And THJ will play a lot, if he remains on the team.

But, I am willing to give it a go till TDL, because I did like what they did. Perhaps Green will make another step, Luka will be supernova first half of the season (problem is, we need him to be supernova in playoffs), Luka and Irving will cook together, no one will be significantly injured.

(07-20-2023, 11:36 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I wish they could have done more, but not at the expense of that unprotected ‘27. 

(07-21-2023, 12:25 AM)F Gump Wrote: I do NOT criticize on still having the 2027 pick for use on a draft pick in 2027, or whatever. That's not a litmus test for me, for them to strip all the assets bare, and I actually think it's a poor way to operate. No matter what they do, there will be needs in the future, and there need to be assets on hand too. In fact, as they did this season, they need to both use some assets in one place, and add some new ones in another.

But I DO criticize that, for the 2nd year in a row, they saw a specific need, told us they would be sure to fix it very well, and then (either due to utter incompetence, or an inability to be honest) they simply didn't do it. I find that inexcusable, and don't think that sort of problem-solving management is how you run a successful business. Nor is it the right way to treat your customers.

(07-21-2023, 10:34 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: https://twitter.com/Mavs_FFL/status/1682396955580792840?s=20

MFFL (@Mavs_FFL)
Report: Rudy Gay is expected to draw interest from the Mavs, per @MikeAScotto……..

(07-21-2023, 10:41 AM)Reunion Mav Wrote: How old is he and what could he bring for how much?

(07-21-2023, 10:57 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: He's 37 and it would very likely be for the vet min.

I don't see what role he'd fill here though.

(07-21-2023, 10:57 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: I don't see what role he'd fill here though.

(07-21-2023, 10:57 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: He's 37 and it would very likely be for the vet min.

I don't see what role he'd fill here though.

(07-21-2023, 10:03 AM)RDB Wrote: Maybe I am drinking the Kool-aide on the second year projection but I believe Lively will be Jarrett Allen 2.0.  Frankly, even though I am in favor of integrating him into the lineup slowly, if the Mav’s choose to throw him into the fire, I believe he would have comparable production to year 1 Allen.  Allen started 31 games his rookie year and posted 8.2 pts, 5.4 reb, 1.2 blks on 20 minutes/game.  With Luka and Kyrie, I think he could easily replicate those numbers in the second half.

(07-21-2023, 03:21 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: @MavsFilmRoom
@TheSteinLine was asked in his Substack chat if the Mavericks were blindsided by Bryan Gates leaving to Philadelphia?

His answer: “Absolutely not and I'm frankly stunned at the reaction to this one. Gates was hired to be the Mavs' fourth assistant ... BEHIND the bench. Philly called because they had an ON THE BENCH spot for Gates. You don't deny a person a promotion. So the Mavs let Gates out of his deal to take the Philly spot.”

Mavs Twitter went feral that Gates left for Philly, even though he was just a footnote of the offseason. Pretty sure the Mavs already hired their 2 replacements to be on the bench for Kidd.

(07-21-2023, 12:56 PM)SweetFidelia Wrote: I agree the Mavs approach will be to work Lively in slowly.  Note Allen didn't start until game #51 for a team that went 31-51.  The Nets were rolling with Mozgov and Zeller for the most part and working Allen in.  He was averaging about 17 minutes a game coming off the bench for a bad team.  The Nets traded Zeller, and Mozgov was taken on a snipe hunt and was never seen again--clearing the way for Allen to start.  The Nets had nothing to lose.  The Mavs have a ton to lose in my my mind, so 17 minutes for Lively seems like a lot right now.  I'd predict Holmes and Powell get around 35 minutes combined.  Kleber may be the closer for around 5 minutes in Q4 with and additional 15 minutes sprinkled here and there at the 4 and 5.  That doesn't leave much for Lively.  (And, I am still really bullish on Holmes after a deep dive into the 21-22 season.)

I was steadfast in opposition to Lively pre-draft, but I was won over by interviews and articles post-draft and the effort and energy I saw in Summer League.  I am confident he will work his tail off and make it harder and harder for Kidd to keep him sidelined.  Pour me a glass of that Kool-aide, RDB!