(07-02-2023, 03:55 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Thus the words “just as an example”.  Does Siakam work instead?  Who do you like?  I think there is still a path to a couple more players with some size.  I went with Grant because 1. He makes less than the KAT’s, Ayton’s, Siakam’s and Tobias Harris’ of the world and 2. Thybulle was a logical tie in.

(07-02-2023, 06:10 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: Went through all the updated rosters. Short thoughts and one trade/move per team, the Mavs could be interested in.

(07-02-2023, 03:22 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Realizing this is sacrilegious, but I could see something that includes McGee/Reggie/Hardy and #27…so big game hunting, not Grant Williams hunting.

Just as an example…It isn’t too late for Portland to turn J. Grant into a S&T (4 years instead of five).  It would be easy enough to salary match $27mm.  Maybe part of the arrangement is they agree not to match our offer to Thybulle.

Holmes/Lively/Powell
Grant/Maxi/OMax
Luka/THJ
Green/Thybulle
Irving/Seth/Exum

(07-02-2023, 08:26 AM)ThisIStheYear Wrote: Good analysis, but pretty bleak. Once you get past the one pipe dream (Sengun, an outstanding young player, possible future all star, would never be traded for THJ and a pick) you’re left with the Williams idea and maybe PJ Washington (not nearly the caliber of Sengun so possible?). The Mav’s desperately need a 4 who can swing to the 3 occasionally or has the foot speed to guard wings and the size and athleticism to play defense and rebound at the rim. Without that, they’ll be set on the same course that led to their collapse after the DFS trade — Bullock having to play DFS’s role and Josh playing Bullock’s role.  Both were overmatched by the size and physical requirements for those jobs (Josh is basically just a shooting guard and Bullock is a small forward). If the Mavs can’t find a modern 4, they’ll miss the playoffs again. It’s a fatal flaw.  OMax can do it, but he’s a rookie, and who knows.  Luka could sort of do it in his own way, but that’s a terrible idea.   I wonder if someone like Harris is available?  The Mavs may have to do something painful, like give up Hardy, if they really want to fill this need.  I’m on the fence, but starting to agree with something I thought should be off the table.  Hardy may have to be traded.  And for me, Obi would actually have worked, though it would be nice to have a higher caliber player in that role.  Obi was cheap though.

(07-02-2023, 08:26 AM)ThisIStheYear Wrote:   The Mavs may have to do something painful, like give up Hardy, if they really want to fill this need.  I’m on the fence, but starting to agree with something I thought should be off the table.  Hardy may have to be traded. 

(07-02-2023, 09:06 AM)khaled1987 Wrote: I don't think Hardy will be traded, mainly because his value isn't high enough to warrant it. He is simply not there yet.
For Mavs fans he represents hope of developing into something legit, but for other front offices he is just a nice 2nd round pick who showed flashes in his rookie year. They won't give something meaningful for him.

(07-02-2023, 01:15 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I think S&T is too myopic.  If we are trading for someone, it doesn’t have to be a free agent.

With the trade spread we have left over from Bertans/Holmes ($12.5mm is $7.5mm plus the $5mm spread between Bertans and Holmes) and expiring Reggie, we can get to $23mm returning.  Add in McGee and it is almost $30mm (because the outgoing crosses $29mm).  Make the outgoing THJ/McGee and you get to really big numbers.

I struggle to see the remaining FA’s being worth that (but I’ve been surprised by a few).  It seems more likely  we are talking about an existing contract at those levels.

(07-02-2023, 10:41 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: This might work in pretty perfectly with my trade for Horford and GWill. The 27 might have to be the casualty to the realization of the horrible assets we have on roster right now. Bullock, McGee and 27 rolled into the Sac trade for Horford and GWill SnT. Maybe they send us a SRP or 2?

(07-02-2023, 09:12 AM)Branduil Wrote: Hardy is worth more to the Mavs than other teams. It would be a massive mistake to give him up when all of our other shooting guards are aging and will likely decline heavily within a few years.

(07-02-2023, 08:26 AM)ThisIStheYear Wrote: Good analysis, but pretty bleak. Once you get past the one pipe dream (Sengun, an outstanding young player, possible future all star, would never be traded for THJ and a pick) you’re left with the Williams idea and maybe PJ Washington (not nearly the caliber of Sengun so possible?). The Mav’s desperately need a 4 who can swing to the 3 occasionally or has the foot speed to guard wings and the size and athleticism to play defense and rebound at the rim. Without that, they’ll be set on the same course that led to their collapse after the DFS trade — Bullock having to play DFS’s role and Josh playing Bullock’s role.  Both were overmatched by the size and physical requirements for those jobs (Josh is basically just a shooting guard and Bullock is a small forward). If the Mavs can’t find a modern 4, they’ll miss the playoffs again. It’s a fatal flaw.  OMax can do it, but he’s a rookie, and who knows.  Luka could sort of do it in his own way, but that’s a terrible idea.   I wonder if someone like Harris is available?  The Mavs may have to do something painful, like give up Hardy, if they really want to fill this need.  I’m on the fence, but starting to agree with something I thought should be off the table.  Hardy may have to be traded.  And for me, Obi would actually have worked, though it would be nice to have a higher caliber player in that role.  Obi was cheap though.

(07-02-2023, 03:22 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Realizing this is sacrilegious, but I could see something that includes McGee/Reggie/Hardy and #27…so big game hunting, not Grant Williams hunting.

Just as an example…It isn’t too late for Portland to turn J. Grant into a S&T (4 years instead of five).  It would be easy enough to salary match $27mm.  Maybe part of the arrangement is they agree not to match our offer to Thybulle.

Holmes/Lively/Powell
Grant/Maxi/OMax
Luka/THJ
Green/Thybulle
Irving/Seth/Exum

(07-02-2023, 12:27 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: I laughed so hard at the Portland deal for Grant. I called it a wild overpay. For the Mavs to be the ones to end up paying for him would hurt and I'd have to eat a passive pile of crow.

Yet the fit is so obvious here it pains me to say that I might prefer this route over any other.

Grant+ Thybulle pretty much solves all of our woes regarding wings. 

I'd even reluctantly include Hardy in such a deal. The roster above is ready to compete, can even still do the THJ+Holmes reported deal for a center or maybe even throw Nurkic into the deal.

(07-02-2023, 06:22 AM)omahen Wrote: I think Clippers will be dumping Morris to save tax. They don't need him with Martin Jr and other PF (Batum, RoCo) they have, and it seems his contract is not needed for Harden trade. I would be ok just with Bullock for Morris (with Clippers paying us some minor assets for the saved tax). We need Morris more than we need Bullock. If we would also want Zubac, then I am not sure what we have to convince them to include him. He is their starter and they will not just give him away.

(07-02-2023, 12:56 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote:   Maybe we are doing well and that second is the compensation for removing the protection from the NY pick so we can throw multiple picks into a deal.