(06-25-2023, 02:15 AM)SkenfromLMF Wrote: * Now I would also say that something similar happened last year acquiring Christian Wood. However, it does not appear that Kidd was on board with Wood being on HIS team at all. That said, it appears Nico & Co have acquired Kidd types this summer. IF Kidd has similar issues (communication) he needs to go.

(06-25-2023, 03:09 AM)Razzmatazz_Hopskidillydoo Wrote: Kidd needs to go regardless.
Just a less than mediocre coach who does not show a lick of accountability.
And I'm even counting how he handled Wood in the equation.

I still don't think Wood was Nico's mistake. JKidd just couldn't make it work.
Now Nico has made these brilliant moves and the weakest link now isn't exactly the lineup, nor Nico -- it's Kidd's coaching, or lack thereof.

This season could feel like a fresh start, but with Kidd around, I don't think the team's full potential could be reached.
This team will win despite of Kidd and not because of him.

(06-25-2023, 08:34 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: Man, I am just so thrilled with the moves over the past week.  Time will tell if they made the right moves and hopefully more roster improvement moves happen as we move into FA.  But all the moves the Mavs have made go in the direction of the vision I hoped the Mavs front office had while building around Luka and probably Kyrie. 

1) draft a young guy who fits around a star(s) and something this franchise has lacked- Lively
2) Find another youngish prospect in the draft. I had hoped this would be a second round pick, but they got a first round pick- Omax
3) Look for a distressed asset.  Now these are gambles and may not work out, but that is the game-- Holmes
4) Be aggressive in the UDFA market and sign a two way guy who has NBA toughness- Miles
5) keep most of your limited assets to be opportunistic for another move

I really hope the Mavs find at least one more good perimeter player this offseason.  Last year, they had a ton of reasons why their defense sucked.  I like adding more bodies who you can throw at the good/great perimeter scorers.  Great scorers are so good that you can do everything right and they can still score 40 on you.  But I want guys who will battle.  Beat you to the spot, put a body on you, contest shots, not give cheap fouls, etc.  Hopefully OMax can develop into this type player.  I think Josh and Maxi are two other ones.  Bullock was one, but hopefully they find at least one more guy to fill this spot.    If you are a perimeter player with no rim protection, it makes your job really hard.  Wing players had very little resistance last year when they got into the lane against the Mavs.  Now, we will hopefully have more perimeter players who can play aggressively on the perimeter knowing they have better rim protection this year.  It may take Lively some time, but that is my hope.

So while the offseason is really just beginning, the first week gets a big thumbs up for me.

(06-25-2023, 08:55 AM)Jason Terry Wrote: I feel the same way. I’m still shocked over the moves. It was perfect. They checked off so many boxes. And there’s still more to go

(06-25-2023, 09:22 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Don't shoot the messenger...

This Philly based "multi-media journalist" sees the Tobias Harris deal being:

Harris to Phoenix
Ayton to Dallas
Maxi/THJ to Philly

That may just be painful enough to be realistic.  Obviously, it assumes Phoenix really wants Tobias and Philly isn't asking for the sun, stars AND the moon.  Math doesn't work for Phoenix in July.  I'd have to check on June, but heading out the door.

https://twitter.com/louallendoc/status/1672797453945282560?s=46&t=Ofn9ihgBPdBFQJpnkEDS0A

(06-25-2023, 09:33 AM)khaled1987 Wrote: Tim and Wood S&T works for me tbh

(06-25-2023, 09:22 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Don't shoot the messenger...

This Philly based "multi-media journalist" sees the Tobias Harris deal being:

Harris to Phoenix
Ayton to Dallas
Maxi/THJ to Philly

That may just be painful enough to be realistic.  Obviously, it assumes Phoenix really wants Tobias and Philly isn't asking for the sun, stars AND the moon.  Math doesn't work for Phoenix in July.  I'd have to check on June, but heading out the door.

https://twitter.com/louallendoc/status/1672797453945282560?s=46&t=Ofn9ihgBPdBFQJpnkEDS0A

(06-25-2023, 09:22 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Don't shoot the messenger...

This Philly based "multi-media journalist" sees the Tobias Harris deal being:

Harris to Phoenix
Ayton to Dallas
Maxi/THJ to Philly

That may just be painful enough to be realistic.  Obviously, it assumes Phoenix really wants Tobias and Philly isn't asking for the sun, stars AND the moon.  Math doesn't work for Phoenix in July.  I'd have to check on June, but heading out the door.

https://twitter.com/louallendoc/status/1672797453945282560?s=46&t=Ofn9ihgBPdBFQJpnkEDS0A

(06-25-2023, 09:22 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Don't shoot the messenger...

This Philly based "multi-media journalist" sees the Tobias Harris deal being:

Harris to Phoenix
Ayton to Dallas
Maxi/THJ to Philly

That may just be painful enough to be realistic.  Obviously, it assumes Phoenix really wants Tobias and Philly isn't asking for the sun, stars AND the moon.  Math doesn't work for Phoenix in July.  I'd have to check on June, but heading out the door.

https://twitter.com/louallendoc/status/1672797453945282560?s=46&t=Ofn9ihgBPdBFQJpnkEDS0A

(06-25-2023, 09:29 AM)vfromlmf Wrote: Seems like Dallas would have more use for Harris than Ayton at this point but a Holmes bounce-back is only a guess and LIvely could take a couple of years. Ayton gets picked on by the media but he's an awesome talent and very good.

Is Louallen the guy who called Kyrie for SD + DFS?

(06-25-2023, 09:47 AM)Jason Terry Wrote: I would rather have Harris too. Would rather cut out Phoenix and get him. 

Phoenix and Atlanta seem destined to trade with each other

(06-25-2023, 09:48 AM)BigDirk41 Wrote: If Ayton made 20-25 per year, I'd be all over this by the way.

(06-25-2023, 10:09 AM)Tyler Wrote: How much would you expect to pay for a good backup big man? MLE money ($12mm)? So if you'd happily pay Ayton $25mm and sign a good backup, you're looking at paying $37mm for the center rotation. What if I told you that Ayton + Lively would cost control your center position in that range for the next 4 years? 

Nico said he wanted to completely remake the Mavs frontcourt. Drafting Lively and OMax while trading vets for Ayton would certainly accomplish that. Ayton would start, Lively would be an A+ backup and have the space to develop. And if you hopefully reach a point where you have to pick one or the other either because Lively is so damn good that he's gonna get paid, then you pick your favorite and trade the other. You can't go wrong with accumulating talent and dealing from a position of strength.

So if Dallas can get Ayton for THJ and Maxi alone, I'd do it in a heartbeat. The next immediate steps would be to dump Holmes and McGee for more useful players, but that seems reasonably doable. And BTW, if THJ/Maxi is real then I would expect Dallas to include McGee in the deal to keep it salary-neutral and preserve their MLE options.

Luka/Hardy/Green/OMax/Ayton/Lively -- Even before thinking about Kyrie, that's the type of exciting young core (all under 25) we've been wanting for ages.

(06-25-2023, 10:31 AM)BigDirk41 Wrote: I personally don't want to give up Maxi for Ayton. I think that minimizes the improvement because of his unique defensive abilities and 3 point shooting.