(06-24-2023, 09:27 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I'm not a fan of a Gafford plan either.  Center two years from now is presumably covered.  Even if that turns out to be wrong, we have to act like it is covered and give Lively developmental time.  I happen to be a believer in Holmes, but I've been wrong before about big men.  I mean, I was wrong last summer about Powell getting 'dramatically more minutes than people expected (oh wait, that actually happened).  I was wrong about Wood's best role being bench big (wait, that was true also).  Never mind (actually, I probably was wrong about Wood's best position being PF instead of C).

If we take on someone else from the outside, I'd like it to be more of a 4/5 with a short contract.  Olynyk would be the (uninspiring) prototype.  Either he or Maxi could get center minutes (in case Holmes doesn't work out).  His ability to shoot makes him multi-positional.  And, as Lively grows, either he or Holmes are easily phased out.  I think you have to have contingencies for 1. Holmes not bouncing back, 2. Maxi's annual injury and 3. Lively not ready yet.  Someone with Olynyk's profile checks those boxes.

Oh, and I'd like to do that in addition to adding a wing who can play either the 3 or the 4.

(06-24-2023, 09:27 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I'm not a fan of a Gafford plan either.  Center two years from now is presumably covered.  Even if that turns out to be wrong, we have to act like it is covered and give Lively developmental time.  I happen to be a believer in Holmes, but I've been wrong before about big men.  I mean, I was wrong last summer about Powell getting 'dramatically more minutes than people expected (oh wait, that actually happened).  I was wrong about Wood's best role being bench big (wait, that was true also).  Never mind (actually, I probably was wrong about Wood's best position being PF instead of C).

If we take on someone else from the outside, I'd like it to be more of a 4/5 with a short contract.  Olynyk would be the (uninspiring) prototype.  Either he or Maxi could get center minutes (in case Holmes doesn't work out).  His ability to shoot makes him multi-positional.  And, as Lively grows, either he or Holmes are easily phased out.  I think you have to have contingencies for 1. Holmes not bouncing back, 2. Maxi's annual injury and 3. Lively not ready yet.  Someone with Olynyk's profile checks those boxes.

Oh, and I'd like to do that in addition to adding a wing who can play either the 3 or the 4.

(06-24-2023, 09:57 AM)loki Wrote: If Olynyk isn't available I'd be interested in Mike Muscala who was just moved to Washington in the Porzingis deal. Maybe we can dump McGee at the same time?

(06-24-2023, 09:59 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: Not a bad idea. Wouldn´t Muscala fit in the remaining trade exception, too? I´m telling you Washington is the place to plunder for us. They are full of useful role players on good contracts. GM is trigger happy, too.

(06-24-2023, 09:35 AM)MarkAguirreWrathofGod Wrote: Love Monte Morris. He’s a pro’s pro. He is expiring after this season too. 9m+ salary though. Not sure we can find 25 minutes per night with Hardy needing more time. Guessing Morris wants one last payday. I guess the inevitable trade of Reggie or THJ would help the minutes crunch.

(06-24-2023, 10:36 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: Here’s an idea. What if they envision Lively starting day 1 (doubt it, but it could make some sense especially considering they we’re probably ready to take him at 10)? Holmes as a bounce back candidate off the bench then doesn’t look so volatile. If we get off McGee, Powell at vet min becomes insurance should 1 of them not be ready for their roles. Could also happen that Lively isn’t ready but Holmes is.

(06-24-2023, 09:44 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: Gafford is exactly the kind of center you are describing to cover for Lively´s development and Holmes not bouncing back. He´s fairly young himself, 24. His contract is very fair. He is proven in the league. Even showed he can play with another center in Porzingis. He has a career FG% of > 70%. He´s averaging 1.3 BPG for his career. Good advanced stats. He´s like a better and younger version of Powell, but I don't hate the Olynyk idea.

Best case would be Gafford/Olynyk/Lively.

(06-24-2023, 10:36 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: Here’s an idea. What if they envision Lively starting day 1 (doubt it, but it could make some sense especially considering they we’re probably ready to take him at 10)? Holmes as a bounce back candidate off the bench then doesn’t look so volatile. If we get off McGee, Powell at vet min becomes insurance should 1 of them not be ready for their roles. Could also happen that Lively isn’t ready but Holmes is.

(06-24-2023, 08:35 AM)omahen Wrote: I am not really a fan of this for several reasons.
1. Adding another nothing special center on a multiyear deal doesn't make a lot of sense, imho. Only, if Holmes is going somewhere else (I don't think Holmes has any value, or Sacramento wouldn't be paying to get rid of him).

2. Wizards will likely be the hardest tanking team in the league. They don't have any cap issues and have to pay someone. I just don't see them paying anything to get rid of contracts. 

3. The player I like most on Wizards now is Morris. I think he would be perfect back-up PG, especially when either of Luka or Kyrie doesn't play. I think Mavs still need that third PG - I think Hardy can be great next to Luka or Irving, but will strugle as a single PG. But, Mavs don't have any smaller assets (his value is likely a couple of second rounders, lottery protected first at best).

(06-24-2023, 10:13 AM)loki Wrote: Muscala is owed $3.5m and I believe the remaining trade exception is only $3.1m.

(06-24-2023, 10:13 AM)loki Wrote: Muscala is owed $3.5m and I believe the remaining trade exception is only $3.1m.

(06-24-2023, 12:21 PM)RoyTarpleysGhost Wrote: Oh man, that would be a fantastic get.

If that were to happen, I would consider moving off Josh Green for a 4.  Either Green or Bullock depending on what you can get for each and what Green wants on a contract extension.  Hard to say without knowing how much the Mavs like Josh.

(06-24-2023, 12:26 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Since they've now refused to trade him in deals for Irving and Capela, I'd say they REALLY like him.  Why wouldn't they.  He's just about the perfect Swiss army knife of an NBA player and still very young.

(06-24-2023, 12:14 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Stein with a very minor Bruce Brown mention in his notes today.

"Dallas instead used Bertāns' contract to move down two spots in the draft to select Duke center Dereck Lively II at No. 12 and likewise move far enough away from luxury-tax territory to gain use of the full non-taxpayers’ $12.4 midlevel exception in free agency to pursue top wings in free agency (starting with Denver’s Bruce Brown)."


That may seem redundant with so many guards on the roster, but would make sense if you move off of Reggie.  Maybe Reggie for Slow-Mo or Olynyk or some other non-star bigger forward.  Brown is still young, obviously defends well and can handle a few minutes at PG.

(06-24-2023, 11:10 AM)mvossman Wrote: If we were going to get Gafford, there would much less reason to draft Lively.  We would have Gafford, Holmes, Maxi, McGee and possibly Powell.  The new NBA model is to spend limited assets on centers or get a truly elite one (I am skeptical Lively is going to fit that bill).  Adding Gafford and Holmes would be enough for me.