(05-01-2023, 09:08 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: https://twitter.com/mavsfilmroom/status/1653036762002862084?s=46&t=Fmdr94oXagcEyy75KJqaFg

Quote:"If there’s any other glimmer of hope from the miserable season that was, it’s how clearly it exposed the team’s flaws, one team executive said in a late-season conversation. That another season, where the team had been luckier, might not have sparked such conviction in meaningful change.

'I saw this coming a long time ago,” one former team employee said, “but I didn’t expect it to be this bad.'"

(05-01-2023, 11:27 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: What are the chances that this quote is from none other than Donnie Nelson?

(05-01-2023, 11:51 AM)RDB Wrote: Randon thoughts:

Cuban
IMO, Cuban’s biggest problem is he is his own worst enemy.  He had a huge amount of success early in life in a world that rewards a hands on self determination, visionary views, and a blind faith in oneself.  The qualities that made him successful in the tech world are not going to be rewarded the same way in the basketball world.  

Couple that with things like the worship he gets from Shark Tank, his pharma business, movie star treatment, and even calls for presidential runs and it’s easy to see why he might have a permanent sugar high from drinking his own Kool-aid.  A good slice of humble pie could be the best thing for him.  The question will be does he have enough self awareness to know what he is eating.  Often the only way people with his success & personality type know how to handle adversity is to continue to double down.  

Brunson
There is no doubt that in hindsight, Dallas screwed the pooch.  This is not a defense of the Mav’s, they are the one’s who saw him every day and should have had the best gauge of his future potential.

However, there were plenty of folks on this site that questioned the price at which Brunson should be retained.  He looked underwhelming in the ‘21 postseason and basically looked like a high quality backup at that point.  All the way up to the TDL, there were still many folks suggesting he would be exposed once the playoffs started.  

Again, in hindsight there were mistakes made in how the Mav’s evaluated Brunson and handled the situation.  I also don’t think it helped that there was a pissed off father who told them they wouldn’t negotiate once the season started, later went back on that statement in January, and finally decided to play out the season once the TDL passed.  At that point, I believe the situation was misread & the damage was done.  

I always liked Brunson and felt like he didn’t get his due early on this site.  I will also admit that I NEVER in a million years saw him turning out like he has.  But let’s not act like we all saw this ultimate outcome.  There were valid questions still unanswered and we are paying the price for that misreading.

(05-01-2023, 12:41 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: We’re not paid to do that job, nor did we see the years of practices with him. JKidd saw him for a training camp and was quoted as saying he’s gonna get paid. That’s all the time it took for him to realize. Get more talent evaluation and creative cap minds in the FO.

(05-01-2023, 03:38 PM)RDB Wrote: Did you not read my first paragraph under Brunson or did you just feel the need to be a contrarian?  If you just read the post instead of immediately becoming defensive, you might see that I absolutely did not let the Mav’s off the hook for the decision.

The best and worst thing about the internet is that voiced opinions tend to become permanent records.  Selective memory after the fact doesn’t solve for that.

(05-01-2023, 04:46 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: I read the whole thing and didn’t think any “however” or “but” needed to be used. You say you don’t let them off the hook but using those words does just that.

(05-01-2023, 12:06 PM)HoosierDaddyKid Wrote: https://theathletic.com/4474477/2023/05/01/kyrie-irving-dallas-mavericks-free-agency/?source=nbatw

(05-01-2023, 05:25 PM)RDB Wrote: OR…maybe I’m speaking about the incessant obsession about how much of an idiot Cuban is and how the Brunson situation is unforgivable when half the board had many of the same concerns.  It would be a fun exercise to go back and dredge up old posts from that time.

Now, re-read the post and see if it still triggers your sensitive feelings.  And I don’t know why I should be too concerned with what words you think I should use.  HOWEVER, if you are open to it, maybe I can DM you before my next post to run my words by you?

OR, maybe you know better than I what my intent was. 

(05-01-2023, 04:55 PM)omahen Wrote: Kirk on Twitter: "You know, considering I've heard that Middleton was the one who ended up being a key factor in Kidd finally getting ousted with the Bucks, I'm going to go out on a limb and guess he might not be super interested." / Twitter

(05-01-2023, 07:20 PM)Jmaciscool Wrote: If Middleton could do the same thing for the Mavs then I'd like to sign him.

(05-01-2023, 07:12 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: Look my brother, I’m sorry I got you ramped up. 

I read what you said as you lumping the FO in with the couple posters that were ok with how things played out. They don’t deserve that IMO because of what I said (you did say that too as a part of a “however”). 

A few other posters (myself included) didn’t think JB was worth the probable max he was gonna need to turn his head from his mind already being made up on going to NY. On this team, JB would not do what he is doing for NY. I have yet to see anyone dispute that point.

Turns out he was much more vital to the team psyche than even a lot of the lamenters originally thought. If he is that guy, what the heck is the reason for all the “lockerroom” guys, the “culture” guys that we’ve paid and overpaid and who have been defended as such through the years? It’s the exclusive job of the FO to know that because we could not possibly know until something like this happens. They fed us a lie about those players and due to having no clue about it, many bought into the facade. 

Again, sorry for getting you upset about what I wrote, peace.

(05-01-2023, 06:16 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Seems most here have gravitated back to tired old Wood and Brunson positions as a response to this article.  What I found most interesting is the idea that Kyrie’s Max is basically double what we weren’t willing to pay Brunson.

OK, you are the smartest guy in the room and you are at the Kyrie resigning press conference.  $46.9mm severely limits your flexibility under the new CBA (which you’ve pointed out in typical SGITR fashion).  How do you answer the inevitable questions about paying double for Kyrie compared to Brunson and doing so with knowledge of the limitations of the new CBA?

Maybe the answer is you don’t.  I’ve said keeping Kyrie is my base assumption, but I’m still looking for options (see my latest in the roster thread involving Miami).  Isn’t the SGITR thing to do to trade Kyrie for more than you paid for him while adding youth, flexibility and defense?  Basically flipping him for greater value.  If you just bring back a different version of Brunson, you’ll always be answering question of “why didn’t you just keep Brunson”?  Seems a bigger change might be coming.  Us Smartest Guys on the Message Board (SGOTMB’s) might not agree with the SGITR that his idea is….you know…smart.  But, I’m kind of wondering what the “smart” pitch is if/when we get to the Kyrie resigning press conference.

(05-02-2023, 02:28 AM)F Gump Wrote:  
Can they REALLY flip Kyrie for better assets than they began with (including the issue of whether the contracts are cap-efficient or not)? I'm skeptical.  

I did read your MIA idea, btw. Kinda liked it, kinda didn't. But think that even though I don't think that's better than what they traded to BKN, I think getting something that good is way beyond Cuban's ability.  

(05-01-2023, 06:16 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: OK, you are the smartest guy in the room and you are at the Kyrie resigning press conference.  $46.9mm severely limits your flexibility under the new CBA (which you’ve pointed out in typical SGITR fashion).  How do you answer the inevitable questions about paying double for Kyrie compared to Brunson and doing so with knowledge of the limitations of the new CBA?