(04-21-2023, 07:54 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Door number 3 is someone like Green.  There is a rule change in the new CBA that helps make this easier to pull off.  Green's extension (starts in 24/25 if he accepts the PO for next season) can get a 40% bump instead of the old 20% bump.  So, he'd be able to get something over $38mm to start.  Dallas needs to come up with about $20.5mm in outgoing salary to make this happen..

(04-21-2023, 03:51 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: Why on Earth would we let Wood go?  As a starter in 17 games he averaged 20.4pts, 9.4rbs, 2.2asts, and 2.3blks in 33.1mins.  Take those 33mins and make him 6th man.  Those numbers will go up vs reserves.  Wood would win 6th man on this team, if given the position and the minutes.  His offensive versatility is absolutely perfect to bring him for the starting C, PF, or SF.

(04-21-2023, 06:05 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: Well for one the coach and Wood do not work. 

The more playing time Wood got, the less of an impact he had on winning (and yes I know he played well in his brief stint as a starter). 

Nico made a lot of comments in his post game presser about looking for defense and rebounding. Looking for players who have a high basketball IQ etc.

Wood had a prime opportunity to show people he's more than just a me-first scorer. He wasted it here.

(04-21-2023, 08:12 AM)omahen Wrote: This is interesting part. I don't think they are one guy away, I think they need two starter level types. But on the other hand, our centers could look much better with a good PF like Green next to them. Stop playing Powell or Maxi in drop coverage, just switch everything, and you have a good PF to help under the basket after the switch.

(04-21-2023, 06:56 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: That's a perfect response if I presented having Wood a feature starter, but I didn't.  I wrote he is perfect as our 6th man.

Me-first scorer?  Name a single winner of 6th man of the year award who wasn't.

BBIQ?  Again, I'm not saying the starting offensive should be run through him.  I'm saying he should get 30-35 mins off the bench.

Rebounding?  Wood was 2nd on the team only to McGee in rebounding per min.  Wood is number one on the team in rebound % and rate.

Kidd?  You tell your HC that he has to scheme around Wood's defensive problems when he comes off the bench.  If that means subbing him with a defensive stud, so be it.  With your top 3 talented players all having defensive shortcomings, your HC has to earn his pay and...  coach.

(04-18-2023, 02:12 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: Mavs just need more people who can evaluate talent.  

(04-21-2023, 06:56 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: That's a perfect response if I presented having Wood a feature starter, but I didn't.  I wrote he is perfect as our 6th man.

(04-21-2023, 06:56 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: Me-first scorer?  Name a single winner of 6th man of the year award who wasn't.

(04-21-2023, 06:56 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: BBIQ?  Again, I'm not saying the starting offensive should be run through him.  I'm saying he should get 30-35 mins off the bench

(04-21-2023, 06:56 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: Rebounding?  Wood was 2nd on the team only to McGee in rebounding per min.  Wood is number one on the team in rebound % and rate.

(04-21-2023, 06:56 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: Kidd?  You tell your HC that he has to scheme around Wood's defensive problems when he comes off the bench.  If that means subbing him with a defensive stud, so be it.  With your top 3 talented players all having defensive shortcomings, your HC has to earn his pay and...  coach.

(04-21-2023, 04:33 PM)F Gump Wrote: I don't like those numbers for an aging Green, but I don't think the rules permit it anyhow. Obviously we have to see what the new CBA says when it emerges, but if the CBA change to 140% is for "extensions" in general without any alteration in extend-and-trade rules, then this wouldn't be allowed.

Under current rules, the first year of the extension in e&t is limited to 105% and subsequent seasons in the extension to 5% raises.

I would assume that both Green and Mavs, if he did come to Dallas, would want some assurance it isn't one-and-done, so an extension would have to be part of the trade, rather than at a later time, which then brings those limits into play.

There's also a trade kicker.

In total, if we assume the total years in Dallas become 3 (existing, plus 2), it's right at 3 yrs 100M (to be exact, $100,010,411) which feels like a contract that might feel make everyone happy.

One issue, however, is that GS will be looking for HUGE salary reduction (or otherwise, they might as well keep him and take another final shot at a ring). Not sure how Dallas does that, while also satisfying the various financial implications of the new rules, and also the trade-matching rules for an over-cap (and perhaps over-2nd-apron) team, but I suspect there can be solutions if that's what all the parties want to do.

(04-21-2023, 03:51 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: Why on Earth would we let Wood go?  As a starter in 17 games he averaged 20.4pts, 9.4rbs, 2.2asts, and 2.3blks in 33.1mins.  Take those 33mins and make him 6th man.  Those numbers will go up vs reserves.  Wood would win 6th man on this team, if given the position and the minutes.  His offensive versatility is absolutely perfect to bring him for the starting C, PF, or SF.

(04-21-2023, 07:54 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: One thing about trading for Draymond, it takes some of the pressure off of the level of C that you need.  Green is going to get a portion of his minutes at C and under the Damer-owell plan, you still have Powell, Maxi and maybe McGee.  So, your center could be a TP MLE guy or a trade, but it doesn't have to be a star.

(04-22-2023, 06:54 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I was actually assuming straight trade before 7/1 and extend later when allowed...wink wink.  I was trying to get the deal done in the current season and the extension in the new season once he's secured here.  I can certainly see the benefit to Green to knowing his number before the trade (extend and trade).  On the flipside, he has to agree to playing for his PO amount in June to get to do it the way you are outlining.  He'd have to do that without knowing with certainty that he'll be traded in July, so either way, there is a bit of trust involved.  I agree that $33mm per year for 3 years is a good number.  The way I was doing it came in at a similar number, but I wasn't multiplying off of the trade kicker.

I'm not sure how to get GS HUGE salary reduction either.  Doing this in 23/24 requires $22mm of outgoing.  There are plenty of ways to get them less salary than the outgoing, but not dramatically less.  There is also the trick of Dallas taking on excess salary in a Green deal and getting all of their other business done and staying under about $180mm.  BTW, I've read the new 0% trade spread rule for teams over the second apron doesn't kick in until 24/25 and is a 10% spread in 23/24.  I'm not presuming GS will take our dead weight, but rather a functional player or two.  Another advantage of doing this in 22/23 is neither team has to worry about the new trade spread rules for next season.

(04-22-2023, 05:22 PM)F Gump Wrote: So your basic framework is to do a Wood-like deal? Then chase the extension later when it can be 140%? I'm not really enamored with the idea of paying DG extension money starting at 44.4M (that's the 140% number) AND I don't want to trade assets for him without having that issue already put to bed.

You said about my idea that "he has to agree to playing for his PO amount in June to get to do it the way you are outlining.  He'd have to do that without knowing with certainty that he'll be traded in July."-- But no, that's not my idea.

My basic framework is that you just bite the bullet and do it ALL in June. That's the e&t. DG opts in, in conjunction with a 2-year extension added, and a trade to Dallas that adds TK dollars to the mix. All done at once. There's no wink-wink, no trust, nothing promised for later.

I don't think DG will cooperate unless the TK is paid. That's my starting premise. $31,724,159 is the total for the PO year.

One of the things that pushes me to June is the opportunity to sidestep the 2nd apron issues entirely. Every dollar of savings for GS in the trade matching is a bump for the Mavs of the same amount, unless you bring in team 3 (which then raises the cost of doing business, since they want to be compensated too). Do that in July and it's probably way more complicated with 2nd apron rules. Using your 10%, in June, it takes about 25.3M to match DG 

(04-22-2023, 06:52 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: 1 But, if the deal is being done in June, wouldn't you use the 22/23 salary plus the TK for matching purposes?  What am I missing?  

If you use the 22/23 salary plus the TK, it would be more like $23.65 to match. 

2 Would the TK be paid in the current season or the PO season if the trade is done in June?  

3 I assume Green could forego a piece of the TK if it makes the matching easier.  For instance, if the TK is $3.8mm and it puts a logical trade $300k out of being legal, can he take a $3.5mm TK?

Thanks

(04-22-2023, 10:31 PM)F Gump Wrote: 1 I think you're probably right. TK's have weird rules, and so do after-season trades sometimes. I did use future salary and probably shouldn't have (but too lazy to look it up).

Suffice it to say that if 2022-23 salary gets used w TK, the diff between June and July in what GS has to take becomes an even wider gap, and GS has been paying tax at a multiplier of 5-6x.

2 The entire TK would be paid in June, if done in June, and would be paid by GS.

3 Any part of TK can be waived for any reason (or for no reason).