(01-14-2023, 07:58 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote:

sterlingmallory Wrote: Wrote:[*]They get his initial contract right, he'd still be a Mav   
[*]He wasn't going to sign a contract that gave the Mavs control at the end of it.

[*]They offer him the extension before he clearly starts to take off, he'd still be a Mav
[*]New York State of Mind is not only a great song, it's been Brunson's sole goal to return.

[*]They offer him more than 5/110 in free agency and I think there's a great chance he'd still be a Mav
[*]He got the contract offer he wanted from NYK (they could have offered more) before FA started and had little to no more contact with Dallas.

[*]

The FO surely screwed up in that they didn't show JB they valued him enough to woo him to stay. He got his shot to start after injury to teammates. He earned his own right to stay there, but that is on him, not the coaching staff or the FO. 


There are so many millions of theories of what happened, anyone's guess is no better than the next. Like I said before, spilled milk. Clean it up and move on, IMO.

(01-14-2023, 07:40 PM)sterlingmallory Wrote: They made it pretty damn easy to choose the Knicks when they lowballed him. Cuban the dolt bragged about not being worried because the Mavs could offer the most money and then proceeded to not offer the most money when it actually came down to it. 

(01-14-2023, 08:36 PM)sterlingmallory Wrote: Sure, if it makes you feel better to think that the FO were absolutely helpless to avoid what happened every step of the way then by all means.

(01-14-2023, 08:36 PM)sterlingmallory Wrote: [*]

You're suggesting that a rookie that was drafted in the second round was going to refuse to sign a contract that allowed the team control at the end? I'm not going to even bother refuting that one.

(01-14-2023, 08:41 PM)Razzmatazz_Hopskidillydoo Wrote: I want to move on from this JB talk.
But apparently, the Mavs aren't.
No lessons learned.

It's a bit different, but the Wood situation feels the same.

36M/2years is definitely reasonable for the Mavs, but in the current rate of how Wood is playing, that's becoming more and more unrealistic. IMHo, that's already a low ball offer. If the Mavs continue the negotiations with a "you-need-us-we-can-replace-you" approach, then they better trade Wood. 

Because when Wood hits free agency, Mark's going to (again) tell everyone, the Mavs have the most to offer.
But if course he wouldn't follow thru with it and say the price tag is now ridiculous.

(01-14-2023, 07:40 PM)sterlingmallory Wrote: Yeah, lets see how badly Brunson actually wants to be a Knick if we offered like 5/130 or something like that. Considering Tyler Herro got 4/130 and Jordan Poole got 4/120, 5/130 for Brunson or maybe even a little bit more isn't so bad.

(01-14-2023, 11:22 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Right there with you, fam. 

Brunson is underpaid on his current contract, and all of my Knicks fan friends are starting to figure that out, one by one. 

I think the sentiment that he has more chances to put up numbers out from under Luka is quite valid. I agree that his averages wouldn't be as high here, and in a world where the Mavs had offered a bigger deal and been able to keep him there would be loads of Mavs fans who thought he was overpaid. From a certain angle, I think they'd be right. 

But, on the other hand, if you're watching the team this season and not registering the degree to which he is missed, you're flat out lying about watching, I think. So...from THAT angle, it seems pretty easy to see that his impact is about more than just his higher averages. 

I think the Mavs will regret the series of events that led to Brunson's departure for a decade, and there's a chance Brunson, himself, might end up regretting it, too.

(01-15-2023, 01:43 AM)HoosierDaddyKid Wrote: For what he's being paid, l don't think he has any regrets at all. He gets to run his own team, and the Knicks are markedly improved since he came aboard.

(01-14-2023, 03:43 PM)ThisIStheYear Wrote: I know we have some apologists here who take a position that this or that player has a wart and isn’t perfect for Luka so it’s not that big a deal he left. But Luka is probably at least the third greatest talent I’ve ever seen going back to the Showtime Lakers and he has true GOAT potential. His arrival to the NBA reminds me of when Federer came onto the scene in tennis and started dominating the Americans. He’s just a revolutionary player.  You don’t need a perfect team around him just a good one. He’ll cover up many warts.  Just get him some good players even if they don’t fit.  Luka can do just about anything at an all star level except defend and he’s even decent at that now. He can cover up a roster gap or two or an imperfect fit. He just can’t cover every gap at once. There’s no excuse for losing a borderline all star for nothing when you’re building around a generational talent.

(01-14-2023, 07:40 PM)sterlingmallory Wrote: The Mavs FO had every chance in the world to keep Brunson. I don't understand why people want to keep rationalizing and letting them off the hook.

• They get his initial contract right, he'd still be a Mav
  
• They offer him the extension before he clearly starts to take off, he'd still be a Mav
  
• They offer him more than 5/110 in free agency and I think there's a great chance he'd still be a Mav
  

They probably cancelled the last meeting in NY because he and his agent already knew where the Mavs stood on their contract offer. It's not like they had never talked before. Do people honestly believe that meeting in NY was the only chance the Mavs had to make an offer? That's ridiculous. They couldn't call or text his agent? Lol. There's no point in meeting again when they wouldn't even come close to the AAV that the Knicks were offering.  

Blah blah blah his dad works for the Knicks, he only wanted to play for the Knicks, those are all just bullshit excuses designed to let the idiots running this team off the hook. Money talks. They made it pretty damn easy to choose the Knicks when they lowballed him. Cuban the dolt bragged about not being worried because the Mavs could offer the most money and then proceeded to not offer the most money when it actually came down to it. 

Yeah, lets see how badly Brunson actually wants to be a Knick if we offered like 5/130 or something like that. Considering Tyler Herro got 4/130 and Jordan Poole got 4/120, 5/130 for Brunson or maybe even a little bit more isn't so bad. Don't tell me he wouldn't be worth that because he's averaging 22ppg and is probably going to be an all star this year, and anyone with eyes should have been able to see that coming. I sure as hell could see it, especially that Utah series that Luka missed most of. The cap is about to spike and he'd be like 30 at the end of a theoretical 5 year deal. It wouldn't have been that bad, certainly not as bad as just letting him go for nothing despite being capped out.

No, Mark Cuban is a moron and bears full responsibility for Brunson leaving, just like he does for Nash leaving and for Tyson leaving. That kind of history and people still want to say it's not the FO's fault that Brunson left? Please.

(01-15-2023, 12:43 PM)omahen Wrote: I don't get this. All these theories if Brunson would have signed or not at all. There are two simple facts:
1. Mavs never offered an extension until end of TDL and
2. Mavs didn't offer a higher contract than NY.

Mavs. Didn't. Even. Try.

(01-15-2023, 01:19 PM)ballsrchr Wrote: I don't think Brunson would still be here even if they had tried.  I suspect hiring Rick Brunson as a coach for the Knicks was one of the preconditions for JB to move to the Knicks.  In other words...the move was decided long before the season was over.

I guess I don't fault JB.  He would never have got the chances and accolades playing behind Luka.  He would have left millions over a career to play behind Luka. 

Dirk was loyal...but even he got enough money to keep himself happy...

(01-15-2023, 01:35 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: I'm so tired of the constant circletalk with Brunson.

(01-15-2023, 02:05 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Your lucky that social media wasn´t as big of thing when Nash left. In the end the PR damage isn´t nearly as bad.

(01-15-2023, 12:43 PM)omahen Wrote: I don't get this. All these theories if Brunson would have signed or not at all. There are two simple facts:
1. Mavs never offered an extension until end of TDL and
2. Mavs didn't offer a higher contract than NY.

Mavs. Didn't. Even. Try.