(01-10-2023, 11:04 PM)Tunesquad23 Wrote: https://youtu.be/98GWetZc1Lk

Some interesting things that former Mav Jerry Stackhouse said. I enjoyed listening to him.

(01-12-2023, 12:13 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: Sort of surprised it wasn't Cuban that was being taken advantage of....

(01-14-2023, 02:45 AM)ThisIStheYear Wrote: Another 34 points from Brunson.  Who thinks the Mavs could use that guy. What a boneheaded series of decisions by Cuban that led to the loss of such a great player so early in his career with no return. Franchise killer. The Mavs would be leading the West if they had just evaluated their own player correctly.

(01-14-2023, 02:45 AM)ThisIStheYear Wrote: Another 34 points from Brunson.  Who thinks the Mavs could use that guy. What a boneheaded series of decisions by Cuban that led to the loss of such a great player so early in his career with no return. Franchise killer. The Mavs would be leading the West if they had just evaluated their own player correctly.

(01-14-2023, 05:54 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: Yup. It´s amazing that to build a title contender around the best player in the league is actually not that difficult, if you just make some "normal" moves.The two best players on a 24-19 Knicks team were begging to the Mavs. Markkanen, an All-Star was begging to be a Maverick.

We could easily have this team:

Doncic 37/Dinwiddie 18/Ntilikina 2
Brunson 28/Green 3/Hardy 1
DFS 12/Bullock 10/Vet Min
Markkanen 16/Randle 24/Bertans 16
Kleber 9/Wood 16/Powell 10

$194M vs. $163M now

The roster is not even that much more expensive and everybody is locked into long-term contracts that will actually look very nice, when the cap explodes.

If you pay two first rounders to get rid of Bertans/Powell you end with roughly the same pay-roll we have now.

Anyone think you can get a Markkanen, Randle and Brunson combination level of singular talent for just two first round picks?

(01-14-2023, 11:07 AM)mvossman Wrote: There is no question they screwed the pooch from an asset standpoint with Brunson, and we really miss him when Luka is not on the court.  But a lot of the complaints folks make about Dinwiddie could apply to Brunson as well.  He could be a bit of a ball stopper on offense and his defense is even worse than Dinwiddie's this season.  He has the worst D rating on the Nicks.  He also would not be putting up these kinds of numbers with Dallas because he would spend too much time on the court with Luka.  

Brunson is the kind of player that needs the ball in his hands to be most effective, which means he was always going to be somewhat constrained playing with Luka on the court.  Unfortunately most really good offensive players need the ball in their hands, and it makes it tough to find high level players who both fit well with Luka and would want to play with him.  I think that's why folks are so interested in the Toronto guys.  They are all good defenders who are used to sharing the ball with other creators, and all of them flourished next to a superstar on way to a championship.

(01-14-2023, 11:26 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: I don´t buy this ball in hands and want to play with BS at all. Just an excuse for the owner and front office.

Guys want to be paid and win.

We have never seen Luka play with 2-3 truly elite offensive players. Yet Wood is having the best offensive season of his career factoring in percentages. Dinwiddie is having the best offensive season of his career factoring in percentages. They are basically scoring a little less, but on much higher efficiency than they did as #1 options on loser teams.

Brunson was getting better every year in Dallas and I´m sure he could have made another leap this season, too. The only reason Brunson is not in Dallas right now is Cuban. 

If you put Lillard or Lavine on the Mavs they´d probably average 15PPG on three point shots alone playing off Luka. Those 25 shots Bullock, Dinwiddie, THJ, Kleber and Bertans hit at a 36.6% clip you can bump to 40%+ easily. And the roleplayers shots would be even easier playing off Luka and a 2nd offensive star. Luka becomes even more un-guardable and more rested.

Actrually think they´d have an outside shot this year, if that clown at the top just paid Brunson. Somehow Cuban won the worst signing and non-signing in the same off-season.

(01-14-2023, 11:45 AM)mvossman Wrote: I think you are simplifying things.  Guys generally want to get paid, they generally want to win, and they want opportunity to score (especially the offensive players).  Different guys will prioritize different things.  I think a lot of guys would prefer to be the offensive focal point and a lot of point guards want to be the one to run the show.  For some winning is more important, but with the egos in the NBA I think that might be more the exception than the rule.

I'm not sure there was an avenue for keeping Brunson.  I think our best shot was to have done his contract right to begin with, so that he was restricted the prior year.  I'm not even sure he takes the max extension if they offered it last offseason (which they should have).  I would be willing to bet if the Mavs make a final offer matching NY (we will never know because Brunson cancelled that last meeting, which I think is telling in of itself) Brunson is still walking.

(01-14-2023, 11:07 AM)mvossman Wrote: There is no question they screwed the pooch from an asset standpoint with Brunson, and we really miss him when Luka is not on the court.  But a lot of the complaints folks make about Dinwiddie could apply to Brunson as well.  He could be a bit of a ball stopper on offense and his defense is even worse than Dinwiddie's this season.  He has the worst D rating on the Nicks.  He also would not be putting up these kinds of numbers with Dallas because he would spend too much time on the court with Luka.  

Brunson is the kind of player that needs the ball in his hands to be most effective, which means he was always going to be somewhat constrained playing with Luka on the court.  Unfortunately most really good offensive players need the ball in their hands, and it makes it tough to find high level players who both fit well with Luka and would want to play with him.  I think that's why folks are so interested in the Toronto guys.  They are all good defenders who are used to sharing the ball with other creators, and all of them flourished next to a superstar on way to a championship.

(01-14-2023, 11:45 AM)mvossman Wrote: I'm not sure there was an avenue for keeping Brunson.  I think our best shot was to have done his contract right to begin with, so that he was restricted the prior year.  I'm not even sure he takes the max extension if they offered it last offseason (which they should have).  I would be willing to bet if the Mavs make a final offer matching NY (we will never know because Brunson cancelled that last meeting, which I think is telling in of itself) Brunson is still walking.

• They get his initial contract right, he'd still be a Mav
  
• They offer him the extension before he clearly starts to take off, he'd still be a Mav
  
• They offer him more than 5/110 in free agency and I think there's a great chance he'd still be a Mav
  

(01-14-2023, 07:40 PM)sterlingmallory Wrote: [*]They get his initial contract right, he'd still be a Mav   
[*]He wasn't going to sign a contract that gave the Mavs control at the end of it.

[*]They offer him the extension before he clearly starts to take off, he'd still be a Mav
[*]New York State of Mind is not only a great song, it's been Brunson's sole goal to return.

[*]They offer him more than 5/110 in free agency and I think there's a great chance he'd still be a Mav
[*]He got the contract offer he wanted from NYK (they could have offered more) before FA started and had little to no more contact with Dallas.