(12-20-2022, 05:49 AM)Mapka Wrote: Green is injured and Hardy is clearly not ready.
Not sure what your expectation is.

Look at any Champion the last 20 years.
It's always a Veteran team hitting big on a low draft pick, a one season tank with a injured superstar or a hit on a go-all-in-trade.

(12-20-2022, 06:03 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: You are missing the part that comes before the big trade or draft pick. Where teams build and develop a young core. To go back to the Warriors example. Did they trade for Curry, Green or Thompson? Nope. Developed a young core and slowly improved. That´s the part the Mavs have been trying to short cut. If they had done that in the past we wouldn´t be having this disucssion right now and the Mavs wouldn´t be low on assets.

It doesn´t matter if Hardy is ready or not. That´s the whole point of tanking. Get him reps and see if he can improve. Same for Green and to a lesser degree Frank. The one year tank scenario is exactly what the Mavs need to make up for missing assets and lack of overall talent. It´s not like the guys the Mavs could potentially sell are good enough to compete anyway. Use DFSs, Green´s and Kleber´s injury as an opportunity to retool. Give them extended breaks. That alone should be enough to tank the record.
Even if you are all in on a big trade an additional pick next summer is exactly what the Mavs need. It should be a no brainer win-win for both team draft and team trade.

(12-20-2022, 06:41 AM)Mapka Wrote: We were growing a core of DFS & Maxi and then Luka & Brunson.
How much more growing do you need?

By the way, you just hit the point.
We are far beyond the "growing" phase of an rebuild.

(12-20-2022, 09:56 AM)Nowitzki Way Wrote: But you simply CAN'T tank with a healthy Luka. It think it would start the clock on his departure as a Mav.

(12-20-2022, 10:36 AM)F Gump Wrote: Sure you can. As good as he is, the mere presence of Luka alone doesn't guarantee enough wins to make a difference.

To be clear, there's no such thing as a tank job that has the cooperation of players. They (including Luka) will all play to win when they are in the game.

But the idea that Luka can "one-man-team" the Mavs to excellence is just wrong, and in fact the more Luka tries to do that, the worse their prospects become. With some judicious "load management" choices and a trade or some key injuries here or there, any team will take a nose dive, and it's not out of the question that the Mavs may already be playing that game.

As to the question of whether they can do it in a way that is advantageous, that's a much different matter --- I am no fan of Cuban's GM-ing skills, so I'm certainly not one to argue over whether they can tank right. But shoddy GM-ing can just as easily mess up a different path (using trades and free agent signings instead). So I'm much in favor of the most advantageous route, no matter who is driving the bus.

(12-20-2022, 10:36 AM)F Gump Wrote: As to the question of whether they can do it in a way that is advantageous, that's a much different matter -

(12-20-2022, 10:58 AM)Nowitzki Way Wrote: The funny part about this team tanking is that they're already doing it and don't realize it. The minute we went into this season with this roster, started an organic tank.

McGee as a starter? Chalk one up for team tank.

No Brunson replacement? We'll go with Facu Campazzo and move Dinwiddie to the starting role. Check.

Lets not start our new 20 point 10 rebound big man. Lets also let the coach throw shots at him in the media and mess with his head too. Good one.

Lets keep playing Powell, THJ, and Bullock? Yep they all work for team tank. 

So while i've argued that tanking would never happen in Mavs land. Not while Luka is healthy and walking. Looks like the tank job was on from the start.

(12-20-2022, 11:42 AM)F Gump Wrote: But "tanking" can just be your fallback if things go off the rails, and it doesn't require everything be done in an all-in manner ... nor does it involve a sit-down with Luka necessarily.

I am not anti-Wood -- I certainly hope they can find a way to make him dependable. That's exactly what I think is going on with the variations in his rotations and minutes and more (rather than the absurd idea that the Mavs hope to sabotage him).

(12-20-2022, 07:56 AM)Kammrath Wrote: https://twitter.com/MavsFilmRoom/status/1605063791863013377

(12-20-2022, 12:33 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: I would assume this would put him out on the longer range of timelines?

(12-20-2022, 02:49 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: https://twitter.com/InStreetClothes/status/1605279213745061888?s=20&t=mbFcRdkirS3epYZF6uXrOQ