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RE: NBA TRADE TALK: TDL:Feb 10, 2pm |Lillard would "prefer west coast" if POR trades him - VintagePejav2 - 02-04-2022
(02-04-2022, 03:09 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: Not surprising. I never thought Dwight Powell had trade value. In fact, I am calling it now. Dwight will resign here once his contract is up. Hopefully for 5 millionish.
Maxi has more value to us than to the market, but I could see him moved in a sneaky deal. The problem is we really need a better Maxi to pair with the real Maxi. Tough to find a trade where you trade Maxi and upgrade to a better Maxi.
Upgrading Maxi’s spot is high on my priority list for this team, which is why I strongly advocate trading for Myles Turner.
RE: NBA TRADE TALK: TDL:Feb 10, 2pm |Lillard would "prefer west coast" if POR trades him - omahen - 02-04-2022
(02-04-2022, 03:09 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: Not surprising. I never thought Dwight Powell had trade value. In fact, I am calling it now. Dwight will resign here once his contract is up. Hopefully for 5 millionish.
Maxi has more value to us than to the market, but I could see him moved in a sneaky deal. The problem is we really need a better Maxi to pair with the real Maxi. Tough to find a trade where you trade Maxi and upgrade to a better Maxi.
Maxi, Powell and similar are role players. Contenders will not give up good players for role players. Rebuilding teams have no interest in role players, they want young talent and/or picks. I am affraid DFS and Brunson will be moved to Maxi/Powell or THJ/KP class, once they sign their shiny new contracts. And Mavs will remain where they are.
RE: NBA TRADE TALK: TDL:Feb 10, 2pm |Lillard would "prefer west coast" if POR trades him - Mavs2021 - 02-04-2022
(02-04-2022, 03:18 PM)cow Wrote: If Dwight gets anymore than a veteran minimum, MBT have learned absolutely nothing.
I´ll just look on the bright side and assume THJ was the last move of the old MBT, while Bullock was the first of the new MBT.
Since THJ went down Bullock is averaging
17.5 PPG
5 RPG
2.3 SPG
Shooting:
24-41(overall)
19-36 (from three)
5-5 (from FT line)
Basically he´s replacing THJ´s production for half the salary with better defense.
Any expiring contract for THJ would be a huge improvement for the team going forward.
RE: NBA TRADE TALK: TDL:Feb 10, 2pm |Lillard would "prefer west coast" if POR trades him - Chicagojk - 02-04-2022
(02-04-2022, 03:26 PM)omahen Wrote: Maxi, Powell and similar are role players. Contenders will not give up good players for role players. Rebuilding teams have no interest in role players, they want young talent and/or picks. I am affraid DFS and Brunson will be moved to Maxi/Powell or THJ/KP class, once they sign their shiny new contracts. And Mavs will remain where they are.
I have higher opinions of Jalen and DFS, but your point is solid.
We may not want to hear this but it may be best to remain patient now. I certainly don't want to watch the same team gain, but this team has screwed up so much. But making another mistake with a move is definitely now what we want. Especially when teams can smell desperation. This offseason/next trade deadline we will have Powell, Maxi and Burke expiring. Bullock has 5 million guaranteed the following year. Those are salaries that can get us a big $ back. We would need to use picks and pick swaps probably.
Lets hope we wind up with Dragic and continue to develop internally. It is not exciting and not really advancing our team, but it may very well be the smart move.
edit: Portland has been always been chasing trying to build a team around Dame. A lot of their moves have been reported as solid when they happened. They just haven't worked out. For instance, they traded two firsts for Roco and then moved Gary Trent for Powell. Now for both players they have added Justice Winslow, Eric Bledsoe, Keon Johnson and a second round pick.
RE: NBA TRADE TALK: TDL:Feb 10, 2pm |Lillard would "prefer west coast" if POR trades him - cow - 02-04-2022
(02-04-2022, 03:27 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: I´ll just look on the bright side and assume THJ was the last move of the old MBT, while Bullock was the first of the new MBT.
Since THJ went down Bullock is averaging
17.5 PPG
5 RPG
2.3 SPG
Shooting:
24-41(overall)
19-36 (from three)
5-5 (from FT line)
Basically he´s replacing THJ´s production for half the salary with better defense.
Any expiring contract for THJ would be a huge improvement for the team going forward.
Need a bigger sample size but I've started to waiver on Bullock being overpaid.
Getting consistent minutes sure seem to have worked wonders on Reggie and Josh though.
RE: NBA TRADE TALK: TDL:Feb 10, 2pm |Lillard would "prefer west coast" if POR trades him - omahen - 02-04-2022
(02-04-2022, 03:38 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: This offseason/next trade deadline we will have Powell, Maxi and Burke expiring.
Maxi is actually already sort of expiring, as his next year is not guaranteed.
The biggest problem I have. I see year after year how determined FO goes out and get things done. Either its the FA they want or its a trade they want. Mavs have done neither in 5 windows in a row. Miami was near lux tax line 3 years with some of the worst contracts and only limited picks, but they signed Butler, Lowry. Chicago was a bottom feeder last season with no cap space, yet they signed 2 all star players (Vucevic during TDL), Ball and Caruso. We see what Clippers have done in last couple of years. Denver is improving every year (unlucky with injuries). There are more I could list.
RE: NBA TRADE TALK: TDL:Feb 10, 2pm |Gobert+Mitchell "been at each others throats" - SleepingHero - 02-04-2022
https://open.spotify.com/episode/0a1qs5NwxJ3E6B3btDyz0Z?si=UdX8sf0fQBGGf94HwIglHA&utm_source=copy-link
Quote:“Gobert and Mitchell have been at each other’s…I don’t know if I can say at each other’s throats,” Windhorst said
It’s back to being passively aggressively awkward,” MacMahon added.
“It’s the most underplayed story in the league, I think,” Windhorst said. “The Jazz are struggling a lot. This team had big expectations and they’re getting passed by frankly. They are not on the level they were a year ago. Donovan and Gobert, even though they’re both under long-term contract, are under each other’s skin. There’s all kinds of subtweeting and passive aggressive stuff going on.”
(02-04-2022, 01:38 PM)cow Wrote: I just come back to the same question as that purposed 76ers/Atlanta trade. In that instance, why wouldn't the 76ers just prefer Collins over KP and cut us out of the deal? And in this instance, why wouldn't the Hornets just prefer Sabonis and cut us out of the deal? Those teams might need to pony up more draft assets, but I know what my preference would be.
Maybe I'm clouded by how low I am on KP, but I don't care how well he's played this year, which I think we overrate, I wouldn't want his salary on my books given how many games he misses. We are probably looking at pennies on the dollar or equally unattractive players/deals (i.e. Wall) if we want a big name back.
The only answer I have is that Charlotte prefers KP over Sabonis. Real answer is I have no idea. Given that CHA was sniffing around a Myles Turner trade earlier this year, it tells me they're looking for a big that can not only stretch the floor but hit threes. KP is in the same exact mold as Turner, thus I can see them having interest in him.
RE: NBA TRADE TALK: TDL:Feb 10, 2pm |Lillard would "prefer west coast" if POR trades him - DanSchwartzgan - 02-04-2022
(02-04-2022, 02:48 PM)omahen Wrote: Mavs equivalent would be something in the line of Powell, Bullock, Green and SRP. Would you do it? Powell is not something we need and probably a negative contract. Great summer Portland had
Some thoughts...
Portland slides just under the LT.
Portland gets Green-equivalent (135 minutes in his rookie year) and a SRP. The rest of this is financial. Bledsoe is only $3.9mm guaranteed next season and Winslow is a one year at a similar number.
Deal with Toronto looks terrible
LAC seemed to be able to find a spot for both N. Powell and Kennard...both similar players for similar mid-teens money.
N. Powell is arguably playing worse than THJ this season (for slightly less money). Maybe there is hope THJ is movable. Of course, Johnson plus a second for Covington is an under-pay (though not much of one as Covington could be a rental). So, it did cost Portland something to move on from N. Powell.
Does LAC need Batum and Kennard after acquiring Powell and Covington?
RE: NBA TRADE TALK: TDL:Feb 10, 2pm |Gobert+Mitchell "been at each others throats" - omahen - 02-04-2022
(02-04-2022, 03:57 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: N. Powell is arguably playing worse than THJ this season (for slightly less money).
Great recap, I am just not sure what is the basis for this statement. Powell is averaging almost 19 points with 40 % from three. Since both guys are signed for their offense and neither is a great defender, I would say that is considerably better than THJ.
RE: NBA TRADE TALK: TDL:Feb 10, 2pm |Gobert+Mitchell "been at each others throats" - omahen - 02-04-2022
(02-04-2022, 03:57 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Does LAC need Batum and Kennard after acquiring Powell and Covington?
I think they will keep both. They might dump Ibaka.
Jackson, Kennard
George, Powell
Kawhi, RoCo
Morris, Batum
Zubac, Ibaka
RE: NBA TRADE TALK: TDL:Feb 10, 2pm |Gobert+Mitchell "been at each others throats" - DanSchwartzgan - 02-04-2022
(02-04-2022, 04:00 PM)omahen Wrote: Great recap, I am just not sure what is the basis for this statement. Powell is averaging almost 19 points with 40 % from three. Since both guys are signed for their offense and neither is a great defender, I would say that is considerably better than THJ.
N. Powell...
On Court -7.6
On Minus Off -7.9
LEBRON -0.62 (THJ is -0.12)
EPM 60 and D-EPM is 11 (THJ at his suckiest ever self is 63 with a D-EPM of 55)
D-BPM worst of his career
DWS worst of his career
Hardaway can no longer shoot and Powell isn't guarding anyone...not that I really blame him.
RE: NBA TRADE TALK: TDL:Feb 10, 2pm |Gobert+Mitchell "been at each others throats" - Mavs2021 - 02-04-2022
(02-04-2022, 04:03 PM)omahen Wrote: I think they will keep both. They might dump Ibaka.
Jackson, Kennard
George, Powell
Kawhi, RoCo
Morris, Batum
Zubac, Ibaka
I think it´s time to remember Ballmer is a rich basketball fan nutjob. He does not care about luxury tax bills. He´d probably pay 250M per season.
RE: NBA TRADE TALK: TDL:Feb 10, 2pm |Gobert+Mitchell "been at each others throats" - HoosierDaddyKid - 02-04-2022
(02-04-2022, 04:03 PM)omahen Wrote: I think they will keep both. They might dump Ibaka.
Jackson, Kennard
George, Powell
Kawhi, RoCo
Morris, Batum
Zubac, Ibaka
They also still have Hartenstein who they like a lot. Maybe they cut him loose.
RE: NBA TRADE TALK: TDL:Feb 10, 2pm |Lillard would "prefer west coast" if POR trades him - SatnamSingh - 02-04-2022
(02-04-2022, 03:57 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: N. Powell is arguably playing worse than THJ this season (for slightly less money). Maybe there is hope THJ is movable.
Is he?
I'm not up to date on all the new stats but Powell has much higher shooting percentages than THJ and at least in casual fan circles I thought he was regarded as a clearly better defender than THJ.
edit: never mind. you answered the question.
RE: NBA TRADE TALK: TDL:Feb 10, 2pm |Gobert+Mitchell "been at each others throats" - cow - 02-04-2022
Utah is in a tough place with the Mitchell rumors but I'd love to do a trade centered (pun) around KP/Maxi (KP insurance and can give you some of the shooting that Ingles but not the play making) for Gobert. Problem is that you'd need to use Brunson to reclaim your owed '23 pick as I'm assuming you'd need at least one (probably two) FRPs. Maybe you could expand the trade to include Bullock for Ingles to help lessen the draft compensation.
Utah would hesitate as I think it would be easier to convince Gobert to stay long term than Mitchell. Mavs should hesitate because Gobert seems to be a bit of a goober.
RE: NBA TRADE TALK: TDL:Feb 10, 2pm |Gobert+Mitchell "been at each others throats" - VintagePejav2 - 02-04-2022
https://twitter.com/alexgoldennba/status/1489712586123796487?s=21
RE: NBA TRADE TALK: TDL:Feb 10, 2pm |Gobert+Mitchell "been at each others throats" - hakeemfaan - 02-04-2022
KP would fit fine in Utah
RE: NBA TRADE TALK: TDL:Feb 10, 2pm |Gobert+Mitchell "been at each others throats" - Omega_Supreme - 02-04-2022
(02-04-2022, 04:46 PM)VintagePejav2 Wrote: https://twitter.com/alexgoldennba/status/1489712586123796487?s=21
Future 1st, Moses Brown, and THJ for Miles Turner
Both have foot injuries so no harm no foul right LOL
RE: NBA TRADE TALK: TDL:Feb 10, 2pm |Gobert+Mitchell "been at each others throats" - SleepingHero - 02-04-2022
(02-04-2022, 04:39 PM)cow Wrote: Utah would hesitate as I think it would be easier to convince Gobert to stay long term than Mitchell. Mavs should hesitate because Gobert seems to be a bit of a goober.
All I remember is a report coming out from Woj I believe saying Gobert is kind of a dick. Still if all it'd take is Maxi+KP I'd do it 10/10 times. Which means no shot Utah does it.
That is, unless Mitchell says "Move Gobert or I'm gone"
RE: NBA TRADE TALK: TDL:Feb 10, 2pm |Gobert+Mitchell "been at each others throats" - cow - 02-04-2022
(02-04-2022, 05:14 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: All I remember is a report coming out from Woj I believe saying Gobert is kind of a dick. Still if all it'd take is Maxi+KP I'd do it 10/10 times. Which means no shot Utah does it.
That is, unless Mitchell says "Move Gobert or I'm gone"
You missed the part about needing a FRP or two and the potential Bullock/Ingles swap (more of a go for it move by Utah). We'd need to gut the team to make the trade happen as they'd want picks immediately, not 4+ years from now. KP's injury concerns would make them hesitate of course but they always need to be careful about who they trade for as player retention in Utah is difficult.
Re: Gobert, he's definitely an immature dick as evidenced by his COVID media incident.
(02-04-2022, 05:13 PM)Omega_Supreme Wrote: Future 1st, Moses Brown, and THJ for Miles Turner
Both have foot injuries so no harm no foul right LOL
If you are doing injury for injury, why not KP?